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    Post Re: 70-80% Of Anatolia Is Turanid

    Quote Originally Posted by Alkman
    Can you give some details about your ancestry?
    Father is Turkmen origin from Sivas... they came 14century from Horasan, south Turkestan, north Iran.
    Mother site is from Istanbul and Kastamonu. Kastamonu got early turkmenish, and Istanbul is difficult... I have Tscherkessisch (don`t know the english word) ancestors from there, but also ottoman...
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    Post Re: 70-80% Of Anatolia Is Turanid

    Quote Originally Posted by köroglu
    Father is Turkmen origin from Sivas... they came 14century from Horasan, south Turkestan, north Iran.
    Mother site is from Istanbul and Kastamonu. Kastamonu got early turkmenish, and Istanbul is difficult... I have Tscherkessisch ancestors from there, but also ottoman...
    Koroglu,

    Do you know if many Turk's can trace there blood as pure Turkish to at least there great grandparents on both side's mother and father? by this I mean no turkish kurds or turkish arab or even turkomen just pure turk turk so to speak?

    Thank's

    D.

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    Post Re: 70-80% Of Anatolia Is Turanid

    Finally someone who admits who Turks really are....a mongrelid Mongoloid mix from Central Asia.

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    Post Re: 70-80% Of Anatolia Is Turanid

    Quote Originally Posted by aksel
    Finally someone who admits who Turks really are....a mongrelid Mongoloid mix from Central Asia.
    Everyone know that:eyes ..... But don`t forget that all races are mixed
    Someone who says, he is "pure" , belongs to a museum.....and Turanid please, not Mongoloid!!



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    SEMIT (longer chin and face, and dolychocephalic):
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    Post Re: 70-80% Of Anatolia Is Turanid

    Quote Originally Posted by köroglu
    ONE EXAMPLE:

    ATATÜRK

    What would you say?????? Not TURANID???????????
    So, let us look at his father Ali Riza....
    Mustafa Kemal a Turanid? Please. Squinting one's eyes does not a Turanid make. Kemal's ancestry is from the Balkans and he's a proper Balkanoid type, plus blonde hair and blue eyes. Considering that his family comes from Thessaloniki it's a good possibility that he has at least some Greek ancestry.





    I find it ironic that the "father of the Turks" is one of the least possible Turkic looking people himself. That said, obviously the "Turkish" idea of the time was not based on ethnicity or phenotype, but on citizenship alone. The biggest mistake, of course, was to force it on people who, apart from being citizens of modern Turkey, wanted to keep their own identities as well. The result was the annihilation of many indigenuous cultures and languages on the one hand; and on the other hand uprisings of more influential ethnic groups for their identity and ancestral rights, namely the Kurds.

    As for the highly imaginatory "Turanid theiry"; there are many more ethnicities in Turkey as well as Turks. The Kurds are the biggest 'minority' (20% of the population -hardly a minority as far as I'm concerned), there are the Greeks, Cretans, Armenians, Lezgi, Georgians, Circassians, Pomaks, Bosniaks, Serbs, Bulgars, Macedons, Arabs, Pontic Greeks, Albanians, Romanians, Chechens, Dagestanis, Tatars, Hungarians, Assyrians, Zazas, Persians, Ossetes, Kumyks, Avars, Jews and the reason why those, except the Christian Greeks, Armenians and Jews are not considered proper minorities and are not included in the census is because of the Lausanne Treaty. Obviously these people do not turn into Turanids because they happen to be living inside the borders of the Turkish Republic. What's more, the Turanid element in Turkic Turks is highly debatable. Genetically, modern day Turkish people (those who identify as ethnically Turkish proper) have very little owing to Central Asia. Refer to DNA diversity and population admixture in Anatolia by Di Benedotti et al.

    The most reliable estimates suggest roughly 30% Central Asian admixture for both mitochondrial and Y-chromosome loci. That (admittedly approximate) figure is compatible both with a substantial immigration accompanying the arrival of the Turkmen armies (which is not historically documented), and with continuous gene flow from Asia into Anatolia, at a rate of 1% for 40 generations. Because a military invasion is expected to more deeply affect the male gene pool, similar estimates of admixture for female- and male-transmitted traits are easier to reconcile with continuous migratory contacts between Anatolia and its Asian neighbors, perhaps facilitated by the disappearance of a linguistic barrier between them.
    There is of course no logical explanation to the "theory" that the invading Turkmen armies replaced the whole population of Anatolia, which was pretty well populated itself by that time's standards.

    Turkey is the remnants of a multi-cultural empire that once stretched from Iran to Crimea and from Transcaucasia to Hungary. What else is to be expected?

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    Post Re: 70-80% Of Anatolia Is Turanid

    Quote Originally Posted by rusalka
    Mustafa Kemal a Turanid? Please. Squinting one's eyes does not a Turanid make. Kemal's ancestry is from the Balkans and he's a proper Balkanoid type, plus blonde hair and blue eyes. Considering that his family comes from Thessaloniki it's a good possibility that he has at least some Greek ancestry.





    I find it ironic that the "father of the Turks" is one of the least possible Turkic looking people himself.
    Muuuuaaahh.. you are funny
    This is Atatürks father ALI RIZA EFENDI:

    http://www.erolaltaca.com.tr/okullar/babasi.htm


    Watch Atatürk's and Ali Riza`s eyes, cheek boones, their faces. Maybe Tatar, they often have blue eyes! But Balkanoid?!?!..mmmmmuuuuahh
    More words????
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    Re: 70-80% Of Anatolia Is Turanid

    Hello Koroglu, I want to say 'Welcome to Skadi' while I still have a chance!

    I appreciate this thread of yours, it's magnificent to hear from REAL Turkish nationalists who lives in Germany. It's a very refreshing and innovative concept.

    I think that nationalism would flourish if all nationalists immigrated from their countries to some richer foreign country. Perhaps, one day, Turkey will be a refuge for the best and brightest among Germans, just as today Germany and German nationalists welcome with open hands Turkish nationalists.

    Sometimes I cry when I imagine German and Turkish nationalists joining hands and singing along, under a sunny, rainbow German sky.


    Might I also express my respect and amazement. You actually succeeded where everyone else has failed.
    You proved that Anatolians are 80% Turanid!
    You, Koroglu, have made a breakthrough where science was powerless!!!
    Without using any scientific methods whatsoever, you proved that Turks and everyone else in Anatolia are half-Mongols.

    The amazing success of your claims is even greater when one knows that genetic researches say that only 9% of Anatolians have central-Asian ancestry.
    But, you, my friend, have single-handedly beaten the genetic scientists, and
    also made another Nobel-worthy feat, you posted the pictures of ALL anatolians,
    and you've also made it extremely fair, by posting mostly pictures of non-Turanid Turks.
    You've done it all with the spirit of good sportsmanship. You sir are a true gentleman!
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    Post Re: 70-80% Of Anatolia Is Turanid

    Quote Originally Posted by köroglu
    Muuuuaaahh.. you are funny
    I have been known to.


    Maybe Tatar, they often have blue eyes! But Balkanoid?!?!..mmmmmuuuuahh
    More words????
    Geographically irrelevant unless of course his ancestors migrated to Thessaloniki from Crimea or Kazan (The official story is Mustafa Kemal's family were of "blonde" Yoruks, a Turkic people, who were living in Anatolia before they were settled to the Balkans. Not a very satisfactory answer). The reason Tatars have blue eyes is because they have substantial non-Turkic admixture, which is mostly Slavic. As for Mustafa Kemal's phenotype, he wouldn't be out of place in Central Europe. The guy has nothing Turanid going on neither considering his features: the pug nose, heavy browridges, bracycephaly; nor considering his pigmentation.

    Ali Riza? Where you see "Turanid" I see Eastern Mediterranean gracility; you base your assumption on his slightly slanted eye shape, however notice also that his eyes are quite large, even though they are almond shaped. Apart from that, no Turanid-like features whatsoever even in him, and in any case Kemal looks like his mother.




    Oh, and by the way, the word you were looking for a couple posts above (Tcherkessen) is "Circassian".

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    Post Re: 70-80% Of Anatolia Is Turanid

    Quote Originally Posted by Awar


    Man warum hab ich nicht richtig englisch gelernt? Aber ich verstehe... Du willst mich verarschen mein FReund..genetic scientists:eyes ..Such a sh..!!
    Just propaganda.. Turks are white, Turks are Mediterranian, iranian bla blaa blaa.. My friend some of the fotos were from Usbekistan, and you say non-Turanid ..gooo sleeping!! Pictures don`t lie.. you must be blind..

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    Post Re: 70-80% Of Anatolia Is Turanid

    This summer, the sun was shining so brightly, I might have gone blind.
    Of course, from that shiny sun, I was squinting all the time, so I
    suppose I was Turanid all summer.

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