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    Post Re: 70-80% Of Anatolia Is Turanid

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    The word nationality gets abused because a nation refers to an ethnic group so only homogenous states are nation states, and in creating a new ethnicity by force, the 20th century Turkish Nationalists were trying to turn an Empire into a Nation State.
    The Nationalists returned to the essence that constitutes a nation: language, ethics, culture and the core population.
    Empire are in hands of a core etnical unit that imposes its polity to other ethnical groups to sanitize possible foreign threats and claims, to extract resources and take firm grip of subsistence networks, hence why protectorates turn into little more than veiled colonies and indiginious people de-ranked to second-rate citizens which are tied up to an extorting regime.

    It's not a free associaion or league of nations working for a common goal and where everyone is equal and autarctic.

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    Post Re: 70-80% Of Anatolia Is Turanid

    Quote Originally Posted by Skyht
    ..what are Turks talking about being Turkish, it’s an interesting phenomenon.
    http://www.nihalatsiz.org/forum/

    But you must learn turkish

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    Post Re: 70-80% Of Anatolia Is Turanid

    Quote Originally Posted by Frans_Jozef
    The Nationalists returned to the essence that constitutes a nation: language, ethics, culture and the core population.
    Empire are in hands of a core etnical unit that imposes its polity to other ethnical groups to sanitize possible foreign threats and claims, to extract resources and take firm grip of subsistence networks, hence why protectorates turn into little more than veiled colonies and indiginious people de-ranked to second-rate citizens which are tied up to an extorting regime.

    It's not a free associaion or league of nations working for a common goal and where everyone is equal and autarctic.
    State Nationalism isn't a traditional government so it doesn't return to anything, it creates an imaginary past for state control, and its usually assimilationist of existing indigenous minorities (or why do you think the British Celts speak English as a first language?). And besides, Turkey was never a nation to begin with, because in West Asia populations are less homogenous and nations don't group together by geography.

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    Post Re: 70-80% Of Anatolia Is Turanid

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    State Nationalism isn't a traditional government so it doesn't return to anything, it creates an imaginary past for state control, and its usually assimilationist of existing indigenous minorities (or why do you think the British Celts speak English as a first language?). And besides, Turkey was never a nation to begin with, because in West Asia populations are less homogenous and nations don't group together by geography.
    Who talked about tradition or modernity anyway, that's jibberish created by some arrivists with big ideas and failed artistic endeavours who list, catalogize and make daft summations about history and metapolitics in simplistic terms like the sociologists who they usually despise.

    Their State Nationalism was a solution addressed to saveguard an ethnic group, the Turks, in a given geopolitical context; it's a structure, a framework that alas discounts particularities, either within the nation-building ethnic or more malign assiduity towards minorities differing in race, speech, belief and customs.

    There's nowhere homogenity and the fact that it might not work in West Asia is because it's populated by mob-like, treacherous, paternalistic and backward tribes who contrary to e.g. Neolithic and Bronze Age Europe dont compete in fairness with each other in a mode defined as peer polity interaction.
    Last edited by Frans_Jozef; Friday, October 22nd, 2004 at 02:47 AM.

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    Post Re: 70-80% Of Anatolia Is Turanid

    Quote Originally Posted by Frans_Jozef
    There's nowhere homogenity and the fact that it might not work in West Asia is because it's populated by mob-like, treacherous, paternalistic and backward tribes who contrary to e.g. Neolithic and Bronze Age Europe dont compete in fairness with each other in a mode defined as peer polity interaction.
    Because most of Europe is more homogenous doesn't mean the problem of indigenous minorities isnt real, it just means theres less of the minorities to get in the way of the assimilationists, and thats the reason I mentioned the British Celts, and I could have mentioned the Sorbs or the Skanians or the Plattdeutsh to give you more examples of endangered nations in Europe.

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    Post Re: 70-80% Of Anatolia Is Turanid

    Quote Originally Posted by Kartal
    You know nothing about us! We are an arian speaking Turkic nation.
    Aryan? and Turk? I though turks according to you were turanids who spoke a Turkic languge I.E a non aryan "causasian race":abo :jew2

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    Post Re: 70-80% Of Anatolia Is Turanid

    Many Anatolian Turks have traces of Mongoloid ancestry in their phenotype. Turanids of the kind one is likely to encounter in Uzbekistan are of course rare, but many Turks nonetheless show signs of non-Caucasoid admixture.

    Of course the Turks encountered a large population when they arrived in Anatolia, but that does not mean that they were diluted in this population. First of all, only part of the population of Asia Minor converted to Islam and became Turkified linguistically, and it is this part which forms the main native population of Anatolia today, the non-Muslim elements having been killed and driven away long ago.

    Among the Turkic-speaking Muslims of deep Anatolian ancestry the presence of non-Caucasoid phenotypic elements is strong; among the average present-day "Turk", less strong yet existent in considerably degree.

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    Post Re: 70-80% Of Anatolia Is Turanid

    Quote Originally Posted by Dienekes_Pontikos
    Many Anatolian Turks have traces of Mongoloid ancestry in their phenotype. Turanids of the kind one is likely to encounter in Uzbekistan are of course rare, but many Turks nonetheless show signs of non-Caucasoid admixture.

    Of course the Turks encountered a large population when they arrived in Anatolia, but that does not mean that they were diluted in this population. First of all, only part of the population of Asia Minor converted to Islam and became Turkified linguistically, and it is this part which forms the main native population of Anatolia today, the non-Muslim elements having been killed and driven away long ago.

    Among the Turkic-speaking Muslims of deep Anatolian ancestry the presence of non-Caucasoid phenotypic elements is strong; among the average present-day "Turk", less strong yet existent in considerably degree.
    Do you have genetic studies or other sources to back this up? I suppose it's very well possible that the Ancestry-by-DNA test I quoted above merely indicated that the Europid substratum of the Anatolians is similar to that of the Greeks, while ignoring that Anatolians have considerable non-Europid accretions. After all, this test only checked for European (in the widest sense of that word) markers.

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    Post Re: 70-80% Of Anatolia Is Turanid

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried Augustus
    Do you have genetic studies or other sources to back this up? I suppose it's very well possible that the Ancestry-by-DNA test I quoted above merely indicated that the Europid substratum of the Anatolians is similar to that of the Greeks, while ignoring that Anatolians have considerable non-Europid accretions. After all, this test only checked for European (in the widest sense of that word) markers.
    As you point out, the test in question supposedly estimates the "admixture" of "European" groups, hence is irrelevant to the matter of Mongoloid accretions.

    Turkic speaking groups of Central Asia and Siberia (which is usually what is meant by "Turanid") show an assymetry in the proportion of paternal and maternal Caucasoid lineages, with an overrepresentation of Caucasoid paternal lineages and Mongoloid maternal lineages. This is likely due to the fact that they are descended from steppe Iranic tribes which picked up indigenous women in their Eastern expansion in the prehistoric period, followed by the reverse expansion of Altaic speaking peoples in the last 1,000 years.

    http://dienekes.ifreepages.com/blog/...es/000210.html

    The assymetry has the following consequence: that early Turks who imposed the Turkish language in Asia Minor were probably more "Caucasoid" paternally and "Mongoloid" maternally. Actually, the early Turks were probably even more "Caucasoid" paternally than the present-day Turkic populations of Central Asia whose patrilineages were further influenced by the westward expansion of the Mongols.

    Today's Anatolian Turks exhibit a frequency of 3.4% Mongoloid patrilineages:

    http://dienekes.ifreepages.com/blog/...es/000413.html

    If we allow that early Turks may have had something like e.g., 1/3 Mongoloid patrilineages, then the current frequency in the Anatolian population would be consistent with ~10% genetic input of Central Asian Turks, a significant amount which explains why Turanid-influenced Anatolian Turks are a common sight, especially since this ~10% is not uniformly distributed in the Anatolian population.

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    Post Re: 70-80% Of Anatolia Is Turanid

    Quote Originally Posted by Dienekes_Pontikos
    Of course the Turks encountered a large population when they arrived in Anatolia, but that does not mean that they were diluted in this population.
    So how does this fit with youre statement that "many Turks nonetheless show signs of non-Caucasoid admixture"?

    If the Turkomen kept seperate from the Turkicised majority, who are of Indo-European and previous descent, then despite a limited Mongoloid admixture in some populations in Turkey, most of the Turkish are surely as Caucasoid as the Greeks are?

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