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    Post Re: Women as Warriors in History

    Quote Originally Posted by lg
    There isn't a single chick at this forum who couldn't beat the crap out of Taras Bulba.
    Yeah, but that cannot be too difficult !

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    Post Re: Women as Warriors in History

    Women are just as physically able as small men. Their aggression stems from a different, methinks, but they could fight with fury given the circumstance. It's definitely not an honourable thing to let a woman do the fighting, but I think a woman would be just as effective as their body allows. They can still cleave a sword through one's heart.

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    Post Re: Women as Warriors in History

    Well...interesting!
    Women are physicaly inferior than men because her muscles have much less fiber than the men`s...(exept for physical activities were their light complexion is beneficial like classical dancing)
    But now we are living in a "techno society" were men generally aren`t very strong, so a well trained woman can be stronger than a lot of men (who never in their live did a pysical activity in their lives and are not fit)
    What is more, fights are 10% psisical and 90% mental. especially since the invention of fire weapons...We fight like humans not like animals.

    PD: Ha, this post remember me series like Xena the Warrior Princces or Buffy the Vampire Slayer
    AFTER ALL...THIS IS THE WORLD WHERE ONLY THE BEST SURVIVE..IF YOU ARE STRONG YOU WILL LIVE...BUT IF YOU ARE WEAK THEN YOU WILL DIE.

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    Re: Women as Warriors in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Taras Bulba
    Since when is leading an army against four undefended villages exceptional?



    Joan of Arc was not a commander.....she admitted this at her trial.

    Women Battle Commanders

    Lets look at what two Roman Historians wrote, Tacitus and Dio Cassius. I'm not a big fan of Roman historians and we Picts have our historians whose accounts differ from the Romans.


    Tacitus

    Description by Tacitus of the Rebellion of Boudicca (AD 60-61) [from The Annals of Tacitus (AD 110-120), Book XIV].
    Chapter 35. [Boudicca addresses her army.]
    According to Tacitus "this is not the first time that Britons have been led to Battle by a woman" (Ellis, Celtic Women, p.87). "Boudica shoed her prowess as a military strategist" (Ellis, Celtic Women, p.87)and annihilated a large Roman legion.

    http://www.unc.edu/celtic/catalogue/...s/boudica.html



    Dio Cassius

    The Neronian Revolt of the Iceni under Suetonius Paullinus
    Book LXII, Chapters 1-12 (AD61)

    http://www.roman-britain.org/books/dio.htm
    "1a While this sort of child's play was going on at Rome, a terrible disaster occurred in Britain.Two cities were sacked, eighty thousand of the Romans and of their allies perished, and the island was lost to Rome. Moreover, all this ruin was brought upon the Romans by a woman, a fact which in itself caused them the greatest shame. 1b Indeed, Heaven gave them indications of the catastrophe beforehand. For at night there was heard to issue from the senate-house foreign jargon mingled with laughter, and from the theatre outcries and lamentations, though no mortal man had uttered the words or the groans ; houses were seen under the water in the river Thames, and the ocean between the island and Gaul once grew blood-red at flood tide.

    2b But the person who was chiefly responsible in rousing the natives and persuading them to fight the Romans, the person who was thought worthy to be their leader and who directed the conduct of the entire war, was Buduica, a Briton woman of the royal family and posessed of greater intelligence than often belongs to women. 2c This woman assembled her army, to the number of some 120,000, and then ascended a tribunal which had been constructed of earth in the Roman fashion. 2d In stature she was very tall, in appearance most terrifying, in the glance of her eye most fierce, and her voice was harsh ; a great mass of the tawniest hair fell to her hips ; around her neck was a large golden necklace ; and she wore a tunic of divers colours over which a thick mantle was fastened with a brooch. This was her invariable attire. She now grasped a spear..."


    Women Druids

    According to Dio Cassius, Boudica was a priestess of the goddess Andrasta who is describes as the goddess of victory (Ellis, The Druids, p.92). As a result Ellis states that "an argument could, therefore, be made that Boudica was a Druidess as well as a Queen" (Ellis, The Druids, p.92).

    Perhaps she also worshiped the Druid Godess of War - Morrigan.

    A Druid Woman led the destruction of what remained of the Imperial Roman Army's Ninth (IX) Legion, the Hispana Legion.


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    Re: Women as Warriors in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Goswin_van_Eyck
    The most common occasion on which women would take part in battles was when their home, castle or town was attacked. A medieval lady would have expected to take charge of defence in her husband's absence.
    Some exceptional women like Boudiccia and Joan of Arc also led attacking armies.
    Always liked the story of Chieftess Boudiccae and Joan of Arc.

    I think Grace O'Malley would fit in the same category of tough women.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_O'Malley

    http://www.rencentral.com/oct_nov_vo...eomalley.shtml


    Granuaile Ni'Maille/ ‚Grace O'Malley' (1530—1603)
    imaginary historical portrait 1558/2002

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    Re: Women as Warriors in History

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    Re: Women as Warriors in History

    Huh.....I dealt with the issue of female commanders in Celtic societies before at Phora. And frankly Im too exhausted at the moment to re-collect the information.

    Basically I exposed many of the limited circumstances in which women did participate in war, but when looked closely they were nothing to brag about.

    Another thing.....before the modern era, ones power and position could be inherited. This was true in many cases for military command. This is largely how all female commanders gained their position. However, once the modern concept of giving people command based on their actual merits began to emerge, female commanders disappeared from the battlefield altogether. Interesting coincidence don't you think?

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    Re: Women as Warriors in History

    I tend to agree that Women as Warriors in History is true.

    Joan of Arc

    She was not born into any bloodline, she did not inherit her military position. Women have not been given the chance to fight as men have, especially since the rise of Jews and their faux male-dominated little hate religion. Before the Jews came to Europe, Celtic society and Druid society gave more equal rights to women. It has more to do with throwing the Jewish influence off and getting back to real European cultural values. Joan of Arc, while a Christian, broke the rules of women being oppressed in Judaic-Christian societies.

    She was not born into her authority, she earned it on merit.

    " ...Joan designed new military tactics for the French commanders to use. "Joan [had] already acquired the ease with weapons necessary for a warrior" (Pernoud 27). A fellow commander and admirer by the name of Aleçon signaled out Joan’s grasp of artillery. He said that Joan had "acquitted herself magnificently" in the placing of artillery (qtd. In Russell 2). Joan united the French so that they worked together to succeed together. "With Joan came the sense of nationalism for the French" (Russell 3). Napoleon Bonaparte even noted that Joan aided the French revitalization during important battles. "The illustrious Joan of Arc proved that there is no miracle which French genius cannot work in circumstances where national independence is threatened . . . " (qtd. in Guérin 117). Joan succeeded because of her military prowess and the support of her fellow citizens."

    http://www.stjoan-center.com/topics/Arnold.html

    i) Guérin, André, and Jack Palmer White. Operation Shepherdess: The Mystery of Joan of Arc. London: Heinemann Ltd., 1961.

    ii) Russell, Christopher. "The Creativity of Joan of Arc." http://www.therussells.net/papers/joan. Oct. 17, 2000.

    iii) Pernoud, Régine, and Marie Veronique Clin. Joan of Arc, Her Story. Jeremy du Quesnay Adams, trans. and rev. Bonnie Wheeler, ed. New York: St. Martin’s Press, 1998.
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    "Whatever the source for her strength, clearly the importance of Jeanne d'Arc was neither as a strategist nor as a fighter. From the moment she left home to the she was captured her active career lasted no more than eighteen months; at her trial she herself said she had never actually killed anyone. What 'the Maiden', as she was called, did do was to excite the French people's imagination and calle them to arms, a task at which was singularly successful and for which she deservedly achieved immortal fame."
    --Martin Van Creveld Men, Women, & War: Do Women Belond In the Frontline? pg.21

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