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    The western-backed coup against the Yanukovych set the stage for this and John Mearsheimer predicted this would happen shortly after. I still remember when former members of this forum claimed they were going to Ukraine to support Svoboda in taking over the country.

    In reality, the so-called Nazis that Putin has used as his casus belli have no real power or influence. The Azov Battalion is less than 4000 men. It might be the first conflict in history where both governments claim they are the real antifascists fighting the Nazis.

    There is merit to Putin’s claims about Ukraine and Bolshevism. Lenin self-identified as a Russian but despised many aspects of contemporary Russian-ness, ethnic chauvinism not excluded. Lenin allowed much latitude from the Ukrainian SSR (it would conduct separate foreign affairs and maintain separate embassies abroad until 1922). He also fought back Stalin’s ideals of a union under the RSFSR rather than the federative USSR, an olive branch to non-Russian communists. Stalin would of course later act much against the Ukrainian people. Also, the ideological source behind Putin’s justification is actually Solzhenitsyn, who was a pan-Slav concerned about the fate of Russia and Ukraine even before the breakup of the USSR, who accurately predicted this in 1990. No one will talk about this.

    I feel bad for Ukrainians, a country run by a Jewish comedian and who stand to gain nothing from globohomo or Russia. But this has been the natural state of Ukraine for a long time.

    Really, what I find most interesting about the conflict is that it’s the first time in many years that a racially European country has ostensibly launched a war to defend its ethnic compatriots in a bordering state.

    What is most irritating about this situation is liberal posturing about Ukraine and the Biden administration’s promises that we must sanction Russia and pay more for energy in order to “defend freedom” abroad. I don’t even understand this as a political strategy, considering the administration is unpopular due to existing inflation (etc). Sharp increases in fuel prices have destroyed and almost destroyed several governments. Most recently the Yellow Vests and the near-coup in Kazakhstan come to mind, the former of which did force concessions from a very liberal European government. I imagine they’ll back down from this.
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    Russia is a third-rate power struggling to remain relevant in today's world. It ranks not far ahead of Brazil and it is far behind China and India in terms of future potential. There is a common right-wing fantasy that martial values will in the end prevail over economic and financial power, but that is only true up to a point.

    There have been two attempts to remove Ukraine from Russia's sphere of influence, in 2004 and 2014, and a less successful attempt in Belarus in 2020. In addition, there are ongoing efforts to enthrone someone like Navalny in Russia itself, thus ending Russia's history as an independent power.

    America's lack of resistance to the Russian invasion is curious, but combined with the recent abandonment of Afghanistan it seems to figure into a new strategy that is focused on the main power centres. In a sense, that has already been visible since the so-called Arab Spring and subsequent Arab Winter, where the US accepted Islamist rebellions if they are roughly compliant with the American agenda. But there is nothing preventing the US from making further efforts in the future. Compared to Russia, they are already in an advanced forward position, so there is no sense of urgency.

    When the crisis started, everyone was quick to announce that there would be no military retaliation and Biden even let it slip that a little invasion would only result in a small amount of economic sanctions. By contrast, the plan of Dņmhnall Trump to remove the parasite garrison from Germany was quickly reversed because it would be significantly harder for LatinX-America to prevail without control over Germany.

    From a German nationalist perspective, it is extremely dangerous to support the American enemy simply because their enemies are unlikeable, brown, Slavic, or mentally retarded. In the end, it would be impossible to assemble a majority of the world's economic power against America and there would be no way to stop the American white genocide agenda or, more importantly, its hundred-year effort to eradicate the German people.



    In this context, the Nord Stream pipelines 1+2 are often deliberately misrepresented as if they were to establish a Russian supply line for the first time ever. In reality, they provide a way to bypass long-existing pipelines running through Ukraine and Poland(!), thus granting independence from their political whims. Luckily, it does not even matter if the second pipeline gets a permit under current circumstances or not, because its mere existence represents a permanent strategic option.

    But I am certain that Poland will shortly declare war on Russia in order to defend their Intermarium empire, which they intend to build under American protection. Poland shows the way to the future after all. I, for one, look forward to watching Polish people die on television

    Finally, it is interesting to note India's response, which shows a certain reluctance to merge their common anti-Chinese efforts with America's anti-Russian efforts. It will probably not be possible to keep these two conflicts apart forever, but there are opportunities here that can be exploited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    America's lack of resistance to the Russian invasion is curious, but combined with the recent abandonment of Afghanistan it seems to figure into a new strategy that is focused on the main power centres.
    It's a common theme, the Biden administration encourages countries like Taiwan or Ukraine and a few other ones to take a hard line - which is why they refuse to come to a compromise - and afterwards the U.S. abandons them when the going gets tough. This is a conscious, cynical choice however - because now the internationalist clique which rules the U.S. finally has Russia exactly where they want it to be, backed in a corner as an international pariah, with the realistic prospect of being able to deal the death blow to (Putin's) Russia eventually. And all that for the price of Ukraine.

    Although the military abandonment is nonetheless relative, the Ukrainian war plans are undoubtedly drawn up NATO and the war is being directed by NATO officers stationed in Poland, plus NATO provides intelligence and weaponry and ammunition to Ukraine - and of course all that happens beyond the control of the Russians.

    I don't think Trump is exaggerating when he says this war wouldn't have happened if he had still been POTUS.

    If China decides to invade Taiwan too soon (and as long the U.S. is willing and capable to go to war over Taiwan in the case of a invasion) it could cost them dearly too, although it's hard to imagine the world slapping as many sanctions on China as on Russia, that would wreck the world economy beyond anything we can imagine. The Chinese are a bit too clever to fall into that trap though.
    "All passion is lost now. The world is mediocre, limp, without force. And madness and despair are a force. And force is a crime in the eyes of the fools, the weak and the silly who rule the roost." - Joseph Conrad

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    None of this stuff even remotely matters to us. The real issues we face are the great replacement/mass immigration, the women shortage and a young generation increasingly indoctrinated with progressivism.

    This invasion/aggression/liberation whatever should not concern us in the slightest as it will not make any difference in our everyday lives, where we face situations far graver and more important than geopolitical posturing and power play.

    Both Russians and Ukrainians are dying European populations and the outcome of this will not change this fundamental fact, nor will it improve or worsen the situation for other Europeans like Germanics.

    Putin is a good guy? He is more likable than Western politicians, which is saying about nothing. Did you see what the men who married Putin's daughters look like? I don't think those guys are even ethnic Russians. Meh.

    The Corona nonsense is starting to get old, so the media will begin trumpeting this one for a while now. My advice is that instead of obsessing with the latest headlines (where the media wants you to be), you save your precious time and take the issue with a grain of salt.

    The real battle takes place in our everyday lives.

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    Maybe its a sin but I find the idea that the Russians are being set up in the same way the Germans were prior to ww2 highly amusing.

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    Has it already dawned on the far right how the start of a new Cold War spanning decades could be the end ... of everything that stands, the end, as Jim Morrison put it. The end of our nations.

    If we return to the Eighties, then opposition to our establishments will be further marginalised, the civic nationalists would crumble, internal peace maintained - those are all aspects of the Corona lockdown too. I bet it's no coincidence that the (temporary) end of the lockdown sees the start of the Cold War 2.0. It could last decades and see us lose the battle against time itself.

    Of course, this new Cold War doesn't have to be the end. Boomers will tell you Putin's Russia could be gone before you know it - and who knows? Moreover, modern day Russia isn't the Soviet Union and the clash between Russia and the West isn't an ideological struggle, ideology only serves as an afterthought. Huge difference. There's the internet, too - another big difference. And rather than Russia collapsing, it may be the impoverished and fractured U.S. and E.U. which collapse first. Remember what western leaders said about Assad, they're all gone but Assad is still there.

    It's a big issue which should be on our minds.
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    Russia’s invasion ‘will probably call for martyrdom,’ leader of US Ukrainian Catholics warns



    The head of the Ukrainian Catholic Church in the United States says the Russian invasion of Ukraine “will probably call for martyrdom.”

    Reacting to the rapid pace of developments on the first day of Russia’s attack, Archbishop Borys Gudziak, the archeparch of the Ukrainian Catholic Archeparchy of Philadelphia, told CNA on Feb. 24 that the “unthinkable is possible” for the Church in Ukraine, calling Russian President Vladimir Putin a “sociopath” who is “leading his own country and neighbors into an abyss.”

    Born in New York to Ukrainian immigrants, Gudziak led several church organizations in Ukraine prior to his appointment as the leader of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church in America in 2019. He also is the president of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, Ukraine, and serves as a member of the Permanent Synod of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church and as a head of the Department of External Church Relations. Here are the observations he shared with CNA, speaking by telephone from Paris:

    Q: What reports are you hearing on the ground from your contacts in the Ukraine?

    Well, the Ukrainian army is putting up quite a fight. Many Russian aircrafts have been knocked down. There are a lot of Russian casualties. There’s significant Ukrainian casualties, as well. The Russian armies broke through at eight different points in a horseshoe form around Ukraine, but they’ve been beaten back at some of them. The Russians have captured Chernobyl, the nuclear reactor there, which can be used as a threat. If they blow apart the containment vessel it’ll be radiation, who knows? You know, nobody thought that what is happening would be possible. So the unthinkable is possible for Mr. Putin. President Biden has been saying with certainty for over a week that the invasion is about to happen.

    So, you know, people have known this and people have been enduring a war for eight years. So people aren’t soft, you know. Even today there was kind of an early panic in the morning, but then people settled down. In Washington, D.C., if an inch of snow falls there’s a run on the toilet paper. The population knows that panic is what [Russian President Vladimir] Putin wants to create to undermine the social systems, whether it’s banks, whether it’s the economy, whether it’s the stores, the government structures, services, and ministries. So people have been quite disciplined and there’s great resolve. People are joining the territorial defense units. The government is issuing arms to citizens and there’s great preparation for defense of their country, of their liberty, and of their dignity.

    Q: How is the Ukrainian Church being affected and how is it responding?

    Well, one thing to have as background information is every time that Russia, in the last 200 years, has occupied Ukrainian territory where the Ukrainian Catholic Church existed, the Ukrainian Catholic Church was wiped out. It might not be immediately. It might be in a year or two, or it might be in 20 years or 30 years. But, sooner or later, the visible, public, existence and ministry of the Ukrainian Catholic Church was strangled. And that has happened in the 1820s, in 1870, in 1945, and 1946, and it was happening over these eight years in Crimea and [other Russian-occupied territory.] So our Church realizes that a Russian occupation will, without a doubt, bring persecution to the Ukrainian Catholic Church. It will probably call for martyrdom. The church has said that bishops and priests are going to try to stay in place and be in complete solidarity with the people. But you know, right now issues are being decided with rockets, cannons, guns, and fighter aircrafts. The Church does not necessarily have a common language with that idiom. It cannot respond on that level. It responds in a way that is visible to the eyes of faith. It responds through prayer, through invoking God’s grace, through the sacraments, through healing for presence, healing listening, and moral support for people who are being denigrated and violated.

    More: Catholicnewsagency

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    This article was posted by Russian state-media RIA Novosti, but has since been removed.

    The Offensive of Russia and the New World

    The article gives up the strategy of Russia with regards Ukraine here, hence why it is no longer available online I suppose (404 error). Some choice segments translated below:

    A new world is being born before our eyes. Russia's military operation in Ukraine has ushered in a new era - and in three dimensions at once. And of course, in the fourth, internal Russian. Here begins a new period both in ideology and in the very model of our socio-economic system - but this is worth talking about separately a little later.

    Russia is restoring its unity - the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe in our history, its unnatural dislocation, has been overcome. Yes, at a great cost, yes, through the tragic events of a virtual civil war, because now brothers, separated by belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies, are still shooting at each other, but there will be no more Ukraine as anti-Russia. Russia is restoring its historical fullness, gathering the Russian world, the Russian people together - in its entirety of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians. If we had abandoned this, if we had allowed the temporary division to take hold for centuries, then we would not only betray the memory of our ancestors, but would also be cursed by our descendants for allowing the disintegration of the Russian land.

    The first would always be the complex of a divided people, the complex of national humiliation - when the Russian house first lost part of its foundation (Kiev), and then was forced to come to terms with the existence of two states, not one, but two peoples. That is, either to abandon their history, agreeing with the insane versions that "only Ukraine is the real Russia," or to gnash one's teeth helplessly, remembering the times when "we lost Ukraine." Returning Ukraine, that is, turning it back to Russia, would be more and more difficult with every decade - recoding, de-Russification of Russians and inciting Ukrainian Little Russians against Russians would gain momentum. And in the event of the consolidation of the full geopolitical and military control of the West over Ukraine, its return to Russia would become completely impossible - it would have to fight for it with the Atlantic bloc.

    Now this problem is gone - Ukraine has returned to Russia. This does not mean that its statehood will be liquidated, but it will be reorganized, re-established and returned to its natural state of part of the Russian world. Within what boundaries, in what form will the alliance with Russia be consolidated (through the CSTO and the Eurasian Union or the Union State of Russia and Belarus)? This will be decided after the end is put in the history of Ukraine as anti-Russia. In any case, the period of the split of the Russian people is coming to an end.
    The article then continues on to a geopolitical discussion of Europe and the future.
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    Riyadh Confirms Commitment To 'OPEC Plus' Deal With Russia

    Saudi Arabia confirmed its commitment to the OPEC+ agreement with Russia Sunday, the Saudi Press Agency reported, as Moscow faces international criticism over its invasion of Ukraine.

    Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman made the comments during a conversation with French President Emmanuel Macron that also covered the situation in Ukraine and its impact on the energy markets, said the agency.

    "In this regard, His Royal Highness the Crown Prince affirmed the Kingdom's keenness on the stability and balance of oil markets and the Kingdom's commitment to the OPEC Plus agreement," the agency added.

    Members of the OPEC+ oil producers' group will meet Wednesday to discuss loosening the taps -- just days after Russia's invasion of Ukraine sent crude soaring past $100 a barrel.

    The 13 members of OPEC proper will be joined by their 10 allies in the OPEC+ group at the teleconference meeting.
    While Saudi Arabia is seen as the kingpin of the original OPEC member states, Russia is the major player among the 10 other countries that make up OPEC+.
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    Saudi Arabia won't break step with Russia over OPEC+ production agreements despite US requests. Inflation of energy prices will not be alleviated; this could be disastrous for Western nations going forward, and has interesting implications for US global hegemony and the petrodollar. Western leaders continue to promise we must pay for inflation as a price for dealing with Putin. Things will get very interesting.
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    Important Intellectual Changes Mind

    Jón Gnarr, comedian, former politician and important theoritician for left wing parties says he now has changed his mind about NATO because of Russian invasion of Ukraine.

    "I now think it was right for the government to become one of the founders of NATO and we should treat that role with gratitude and respect."

    Jón says that this is a bit of a change for him and talks about his upbringing, because his father was communist and very supportive of Soviet Union and against NATO.


    "I have all my life had a difficult time with NATO. I have allowed it to go on my nerves."

    Jón says he is a pacifist and against all military nonsense

    „But there are forces in this world that are like a bully and sometimes they group together and beat up vulnarable innocent people. I have had this talk with people about Hitler & ISIS. how much time should we give them before we say this is enough.

    Before the invasion he thought maybe we can take the angle that actually it is the fault of America and Nato, "but then I saw this is just not possible. Putin & co are just crooks"



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