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    Scientists Say There May Be Humans All Over the Universe

    In a galaxy far, far away...



    Imagine, if you will, that future humans manage to travel to other worlds and find more humans.

    According to one University of Cambridge astrobiologist, that scenario may be more likely than youd think.

    In a new interview with the BBCs Science Focus magazine, an evolutionary palaeobiologist at the institutions Department of Earth Sciences named Simon Conway Morris declared that researchers can say with reasonable confidence that human-like evolution has occurred in other locations around the universe.

    The core of Morris belief comes from the theory of convergent evolution, which claims that, as Science Focus put it, random effects eventually average out so that evolution converges, tending to produce similar organisms in any given environment. The magazine used the examples of flight, which has evolved independently on Earth at least four times in birds, bats, insects and pterosaurs.

    In short, convergent evolution theory posits that evolution itself is a law of nature and, as a logical endpoint, its likely that evolution would operate the same way on different planets as it does here on Earth. In other words, its theoretically possible that the blue and green alien humanoids you see on Star Trek could be, well, actually out there.

    Morris isnt the only Cambridge man who believes alien life would have evolved in ways analogous to a human.

    Arik Kershenbaum, a zoologist at the rarified British institution, wrote a whole book about the concept of alien evolution.

    Because evolution is the explanatory mechanism for life everywhere, Kershenbaum told Quanta magazine earlier this year, then the principles that we uncover on Earth should be applicable in the rest of the universe.

    Kershenbaum argued that while its tempting to envision alien races who dont have the same cultural interests humans have, such as philosophy and literature, we have to remember that they didnt just spring up out of a vacuum as advanced technological beings. Even alien lifeforms with greater technology than humans, Kershenbaum said, would have evolved from a pre-technological species.

    If that pre-technological species went on to develop all the things that we have now, chances are that they were built on building blocks that served that social purpose things like bonding between group members, transmission of information and useful ideas between group members, he told Quanta. A pre-technological alien civilization could be singing and dancing and telling stories just like pre-technological human civilization did, because it serves the same purpose.

    Its compelling to imagine other worlds where humanoid lifeforms, in Kershenbaums wording, are singing and dancing and telling stories just like on Earth. And if the laws of evolution are as strong as Darwinists like Kershenbaum and Morris believe, that ups both our propensity for relating to and communicating with aliens and, unfortunately, for warring with them as well.

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    Convergent evolution in a multiregional scheme doesn't mean compatibility, any more than the divergent model espoused by miscegenationists. The most tired sci-fi trope is a fixation on "intelligence", as if the level of sentience alone determines our interest in their worth. I couldn't give a shite if any African was "gifted" in anything at all, so why care about some goddamned E.T.? The interspecies sexual fantasies of these nerd tossers is part and parcel of the same descent into madness on our own planet and in our own countries as it is. Let the Groids mix with aliens and they can sod off together!

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    Love your post!
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    It's of course BS and not *science* (that used to have a meaning), when there is no empirical evidence for this whatsoever.

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    Most so-called 'science' these days is nowt but wishful thinking and self-fulfilling prophecies. I used to be a science freak a long time ago until it all felt laced with politics and religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    Most so-called 'science' these days is nowt but wishful thinking and self-fulfilling prophecies. I used to be a science freak a long time ago until it all felt laced with politics and religion.
    Most don't even realise what Science is (a method where conclusions are drawn logically from empirical evidence, where you can manipulate specific variables and observe things repetitively). They think it's an assertive, nerdish guy in a lab coat peddling just so stories. Few will even know who Francis Bacon is and how he formulated the story.... Meanwhile this should be entry-level for science studies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theunissen View Post
    Most don't even realise what Science is (a method where conclusions are drawn logically from empirical evidence, where you can manipulate specific variables and observe things repetitively). They think it's an assertive, nerdish guy in a lab coat peddling just so stories. Few will even know who Francis Bacon is and how he formulated the story.... Meanwhile this should be entry-level for science studies.
    I learnt science the same way you did, so every time I come across these fanatics, I feel predisposed to call them out for flights of fancy. People who worship 'science' are even more disturbed than the religious people they go after for this inanity. I say this as one open to the biomaterial life cycle and metaphysics as being two languages meaning the same thing, so the bipolarity that drives such schizophrenia is laughable in my sight.

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    as Science Focus put it, random effects eventually average out so that evolution converges, tending to produce similar organisms in any given environment.
    The issue with this is you have to consider the timeline of how Homo Sapiens came to be on Earth as a species. Also, Homo Sapiens weren't the only "human" subspecies. There were Neanderthals, Cro-Magnons, Denisovans, Homo Erectus, etc...

    When considering the timeline, the Dinosaurs dying out was the critical point in allowing other species to develop and evolve over time. Also, geology and geography played a critical part in human-beings rising up. If you want to define where Humanity started, it was most likely in the eastern valleys of Africa (yes, I know Regional Evolution is a thing and I lean on that, too, but there had to be a focal point of our predecessors' evolution). I'm not sure if that missing link between apes and humans has really been founded or concluded yet, but we do know we have a link to them in our evolutionary stage.

    Now, considering "human-beings" on other planets, the conditions have to be just perfect and match nearly with ours. I'm just skeptical if that is mathematically and statistically possible. I would lean more towards it being near impossible. But, I wouldn't say aliens don't exist, either. I am sure at one point Mars, before it died, was harboring some complex lifeforms (perhaps not sentient lifeforms, but regardless, lifeforms).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ediruc View Post
    The issue with this is you have to consider the timeline of how Homo Sapiens came to be on Earth as a species. Also, Homo Sapiens weren't the only "human" subspecies. There were Neanderthals, Cro-Magnons, Denisovans, Homo Erectus, etc...

    When considering the timeline, the Dinosaurs dying out was the critical point in allowing other species to develop and evolve over time. Also, geology and geography played a critical part in human-beings rising up. If you want to define where Humanity started, it was most likely in the eastern valleys of Africa (yes, I know Regional Evolution is a thing and I lean on that, too, but there had to be a focal point of our predecessors' evolution). I'm not sure if that missing link between apes and humans has really been founded or concluded yet, but we do know we have a link to them in our evolutionary stage.

    Now, considering "human-beings" on other planets, the conditions have to be just perfect and match nearly with ours. I'm just skeptical if that is mathematically and statistically possible. I would lean more towards it being near impossible. But, I wouldn't say aliens don't exist, either. I am sure at one point Mars, before it died, was harboring some complex lifeforms (perhaps not sentient lifeforms, but regardless, lifeforms).
    As put, these issues are very complex.

    When looking at all the hominoids in the soil, we see that this began with tropical Asian primates, with more than one lineage (numerous, in fact) spreading throughout the rest of the tropics, both into Africa and the Americas--two directions from the oldest fossils in China, but obvious preponderance throughout Indomalaya. This is also where the closest types of non-primate species (proven by teeth and genetics) have always lived in greatest supply and states of nature. The multiple strains of hominoid prove more than Olduvai Gorge had a hand in spreading these genes and phenotypes throughout the globe. Only certain strains were concentrated in the East African Rift Valley (DE Y-DNA haplogroup, for instance) and even then, those there were not entirely disposed to the current stock of Africa (D Y-DNA haplogroup returned to East Asia, if it ever really left).

    Some hominoids remained in Africa and became sedentary, whereas the rest kept moving, if even they had stayed there very long at all. The greatest evidence of Eurasian occupation of Africa is the desertification of the Sahel and Sahara, part of the early failures in development of agriculture that stretched all the way through Central Asia to the Taklamakan and Gobi. Yes, although I'm not an eco-whacko, the proof is there that mankind transformed the landscape for the worse in ancient times and that may in fact be the strongest argument that current environmentalists can use to push for eating insects rather than cattle, in gathering wild plants instead of denuding the soil over wide tracts that cross continents. The irony is that those known for normalising agriculture are the Afroasiatics, who would invariably have been the ones responsible for overexploiting and exhausting the soil to begin with, at least in the MENA region. I'm not sure about the rest of desertification into Kazakhstan and Mongolia, but it is entirely possible that this may have been effected after Indogermanic (Scythian) adoption of Afroasiatic practices--thus, down the long road to Semitic acculturation of Aryan folks. What is further true, is that all countries that have adopted Semitic ways of life, have challenged the soil in ways unknown to others without these traditions. There are, of course, isolated cases of desertification without MENA connections, which, like pyramids, have multiple origins around the globe.

    BTW, we all eat dinosaurs today, as ever. They've got feathers and taste like chicken. Just check the definition: Avians are the type of dinosaurs still extant, all of which are reptilians. Phylogeny is awesome.

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