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    "Sexual selection has been the main agent in forming the races of man" (Darwin)

    The amount of 'model' types who are paraded here as examples to races/subraces leads one to think of the undeniable Wow!-Factor.

    Those putting forward their perfect types for delectation can almost be heard licking their thin lips.

    This reminded me of Darwin's claim;

    "Sexual selection has been the main agent in forming the races of man".
    [Darwin, letter to Wallace 1867]

    What?

    Are our precious subraces merely the result of the aesthetic/erotic taste of particular regions of Eurasia in Pre-history?

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    Indeed, to some degree they must be sexually selected for traits. One thing to consider though: Were these traits environmentally favored initially and then later became sexually selected for? In other words, traits that helped a person or population survive in a particular environment may have eventually became 'attaractive' as it was those who pocessed these traits who were the most fit, healthy and able to attract a mate and reproduce. See what I mean?

    Take pale skin for example. When our ancestors lived along the southern flanks of the glaciers some 40,000 years ago and sunlight was minimal at best, dark skinned folks who couldn't produce enough vitamin D, would have been sickly and unattractive and dark skin may have been sexually selected against. Those who pocessed lighter skin, thus allowing more sunlight to be absorbed and a healthy amount of vitamin D to be produced, may have been healthier because of the proper pressence of the vitamin....and they would have been more attractive or 'sexy'. As a general rule, healthy people are better looking and thus more able to attract a mate.

    So, my hunch is that it's a two-fold sort of thing.

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    Originally posted by dalonord


    So, my hunch is that it's a two-fold sort of thing.
    I agree.

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    Post Sexual Selection Explains Subracial Variation

    Well, all Whites have light skin; I was thinking more of subracial differences.

    The contemporary scientist, and neo-Darwinian, Richard Dawkins says;

    "What sexual selection explains, better than natural selection, is diversity that seems arbitrary, even driven by aesthetic whim.
    Especially if the variation concerned is GEOGRAPHICAL [and aren't all the Caucasoid subraces named after geographical locations?].
    And also especially if some of the features concerned, for example beards and the distribution of body hair and subcutaneous fat deposits, differ between the sexes .."

    It has long been thought that blondism has been sexually selected because many Whites are blond as children but become darker as they enter puberty. It is thought that those few who stayed blond, after some mutation, were sexually selected way out of proportion to their numbers.
    Dawkins goes on;

    "Given that cultural differences such as those of language, religion, manners and customs certainly provide resistance to interbreeding and gene flow, I think it is entirely plausible that genetic differences between peoples of different regions, at least where superficial, externally prominent features are concerned [i.e., among subraces], have evolved through sexual selection".

    This explains how the various Europid subraces could be derived from the Mediterranean.

    "Our species really does seem to have unusually conspicuous, even ostentatious, superficial differences between local populations, coupled within unusually low levels of overall genetic variation. This double circumstance carries, to my mind, the stamp of sexual selection".
    [R.Dawkins, 'The Devils Chaplain' - my emphasis and interjections]

    Therefore, the genetic difference between Mediterranean and Nordic Subraces is miniscule; their ostensible differences of appearance are mainly due to sexual selection, and not natural selection, as Meds in the North are as pale skinned as Nordics.
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    Post Re: Sexual Selection

    Originally posted by Moody Lawless

    Are our precious subraces merely the result of the aesthetic/erotic taste of particular regions of Eurasia in Pre-history?
    I would attribute it more to the founder effect, but you may go on rambling if you like

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    Post Re: Re: Sexual Selection

    Originally posted by NordicPower88
    I would attribute it more to the founder effect, but you may go on rambling if you like
    What is the Founder Effect?

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    Sure, all whites have light skin but there are certainly differences in this relative lightness from one place to the next. I regard pigmentation as one piece in the differetiation puzzle even between the white sub-races. I think we can agree that there is a noticeable difference between the ruddy and vascular skin tone of an Irish Brunn and the more tanned skin of Mediterranean type. Also, I was just using skin color as an example. Eye color is another that we could address. I've read that folks with fair eyes (Coon's 'The Living Races of Man') perhaps have better vision in cloudy, misty and dim conditions than do those with more pigmented eyes. He also postulates that the reverse could be so in sunnier regions. Fair eyes, as well as vascular skin cross sub-racial lines for sure but they clearly occur most often in the regions where people dwelt along side the glaciers and sunlight was something of a premium.

    Interestingly enough, blondism, be it of the ashen or golden variety also is most concentrated along the old glacial lines. However, no environmentally adaptive advantage has yet to be ascribed to this condition. Again though, it crosses subracial lines from UPs to Nordics to East Baltics, Corded types, Danubians, etc. IS there any adaptive corelation between it's geographic region of prominence and the climate found there (now or historically)? Hard to say, for sure. One thing to consider though, is that there is clearly some amount of blondism found in the sub-races further south...but why hasn't it been sexually selected for more there but under this premise, much more so....ACROSS sub-racial lines......in the north?

    Hard to figure for sure. As I said, I feel that as with most debates, that the answer lies somewhere in the middle. Clearly some traits are considered more attractive than others and some provide some type of advantage to a particular climate and environment. My question here is: Why are these sexually selected traits considered attractive? Because they show that a person is healthy and fit in a particular climate....and therefore attractive?

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    Folks, al you say is OK, but this is the pathetic reallity

    http://www.sbsun.com/Stories/0,1413,...69547,00.html#

    All white nations are going to destruction, Kali Yuga rules...........

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    Folks, al you say is OK, but this is the pathetic reallity

    http://www.sbsun.com/Stories/0,1413,...69547,00.html#

    All white nations are going to destruction, Kali Yuga rules...........

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    Who cares if some spic wants to fuck a nigger? How do you think Jennifer Lopez got her mammoth Hottentot ass? :butt

    If fat, disgusting stupid white females with no self-esteem want to sleep with niggers, I think it's great. Who needs a bunch of self loathing pigs? The white guys with Asian females are losers at best, perverted Asiaphiles at worst, and they're all looking for an easy piece of ass because they're too lame to approach a white girl. :fu

    Shiva kicks ass.........

    Originally posted by Breogan
    Folks, al you say is OK, but this is the pathetic reallity All white nations are going to destruction, Kali Yuga rules...........

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