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    Post Apollonius of Tyana: The Hellene Jesus

    Apollonius of Tyana was the awe and wonder of his time . Apolonius was born of wealthy parents in the Greek town of Tyana and his birth was miraculously announced to his mother by a God. He was an attractive and precocious child and was sent to reside at the temple of Aescalupius in Tarsus at age twelve, where he was initiated by the priests and where he excelled in religious and philosophical learning and debate, and even performing healing miracles. At the age of sixteen he adopted the pythagorian philosophy and lifestyle of abstaining from animal food, wine, and women, living only on fruits and herbs, maintaining five years of silence, praying to the sun three times a day, dressing only in white linen(non-animal fabric), going barefoot, and never cutting his hair or beard.
    He believed in the immortality of the soul, in metempsychosis, and in a supreme deity ruling lesser deities. He also wrote books on astrology. Before starting his public mission he gave away his riches to his relatives with the aim of seeking only knowledge and wisdom.

    His mission began by going to Antioch where he taught certain disciples, as well as learning the mysteries of that city's temple, Apollo Daphne. He also traveled to India and Egypt, bringing back with him the doctrines of Krishna and Buddha. As a Roman citizen, he travelled freely within the Roman empire acquiring the reputation of a social and political reformer. He was fearless and spoke out against the tyranny of Nero and Domititian for which he was jailed but later released. His most recounted incident was at the court before emperor Domitian, where he dissapeared into thin air before they could lay any kind of charge on him.

    Wherever he went he attracted large crowds and held them spellbound by his words and deeds. Kings, rulers, and common folk constantly sought him for advice and he gave freely. He travelled the world and always stood his ground and was regarded by many as a god in the flesh. He compiled the epistles, and retired to the isle of Patmos where he wrote the book of Revelation. Little is known about his death, but it is thought he lived past the the age of 100, and shortly thereafter ascended to the inner earth paradise.

    Parallels run all the way through the stories of Jesus and of Apollonius. Both were:
    -itinerant miracle workers and teachers,
    -rejected by townspeople and brothers who later became more favorable toward them,
    -accompanied by an inner circle of disciples,
    -credited with prophecy, exorcisms, healings, raising of the dead,
    -makers of severe moral demands on their hearers,
    -speakers in oracular style, teaching with authority, in conflict with the established clergy at temples they visited to try to reform,
    -accused of practicing magic,
    -charged and tried by Romans for sedition and magic,
    -subject to legend as children of god, with precocious childhoods, demons in the wilderness, miracles, escape from actual or expected death, ascent to heaven, appearances for the conversion of unbelievers.

    The question naturally arises: How came the histories of Apollonius and Christ to be alike? Was one plagiarized from the other? Christians claim that most of Philostratus's life is fiction, no more than a copy of the gospel accounts of Jesus, having been written 70 years after the gospels were generally accepted within Christendom. They must confuse Philostratus that lived in 4 century and wrote the "icons" with Philostratus that wrote "The Life of Appolonius Of Tyana" about 210-220.
    Furthermore,we already know that it was christian religion which absorbed pagan myths and practises,not the opposite,such as the celebration of the Sun-God Mithras every 25 of December by the Romans,the greek myth of crucifiction and resurrection of Dionysus,etc

    Temples and statues were built in his honor, and for the first three centuries AD he was regarded as a demi-god and saint. The popularity of Apollonius' teachings became a threat to the decaying Roman Empire, so in 325 AD, At the Cuncil of Nicae, emperor Constantine and his bishops devised the New Christianity which would turn attention away from Appolonius, to a Judean carpenter by the name of Jesus. All records of Apollonius were destroyed and this meant burning the libraries, including the most famous one at Alexandria.

    Important changes in the biblical texts occurred ever since then, such as the removal of the doctrines of reincarnation, astrology, and vegetarianism; to be replaced by their opposites -a mortal soul, a hellfire for diviners, and permission for meat-eating and wine drinking.


    You can read some selected parts of Philostratus "The Life of Apollonius of Tyana" here: http://www.mountainman.com.au/a_tyana0.html

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    Post Re: Apollonius of Tyana: The Hellene Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Alkman
    Furthermore,we already know that it was christian religion which absorbed pagan myths and practises,not the opposite,such as the celebration of the Sun-God Mithras every 25 of December by the Romans,the greek myth of crucifiction and resurrection of Dionysus,etc
    XXX.....WRONG!

    "During a period of time running roughly from about 1890 to 1940, scholars often alleged that primitive Christianity has been heavily influenced by Platonism, Stoicism, the pagan mystery religions, or other movements in the Hellenistic world....most Bible scholars regard the question a dead issue."
    --Ronald Nash The Gospels and the Greeks: Did the New Testament Borrow from Pagan Thought? pg. I


    “We tend to think only in terms of ‘pagan survivals’ within the Church. We do not often give attention to the adaptation, by non-Christians, of Christian rituals….A lively process of the borrowing of rituals between pagans and Christians appears to have taken place in both directions. Pagan communities borrowed Christian signs and rites. The sign of the Cross would be made sacrificial banquets. The names of Christian angels and saints would be shouted at the solemn toasts around the table. Above all, monks and clergymen came to offer services which non-Christian ritual specialists had previously provided.”
    --Peter Brown The Rise of Western Christendom: Triumph and Diversity AD 200-1000 Pg.153

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    Post Re: Apollonius of Tyana: The Hellene Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Taras Bulba
    XXX.....WRONG!

    "During a period of time running roughly from about 1890 to 1940, scholars often alleged that primitive Christianity has been heavily influenced by Platonism, Stoicism, the pagan mystery religions, or other movements in the Hellenistic world....most Bible scholars regard the question a dead issue."
    --Ronald Nash The Gospels and the Greeks: Did the New Testament Borrow from Pagan Thought? pg. I


    “We tend to think only in terms of ‘pagan survivals’ within the Church. We do not often give attention to the adaptation, by non-Christians, of Christian rituals….A lively process of the borrowing of rituals between pagans and Christians appears to have taken place in both directions. Pagan communities borrowed Christian signs and rites. The sign of the Cross would be made sacrificial banquets. The names of Christian angels and saints would be shouted at the solemn toasts around the table. Above all, monks and clergymen came to offer services which non-Christian ritual specialists had previously provided.”
    --Peter Brown The Rise of Western Christendom: Triumph and Diversity AD 200-1000 Pg.153
    Once more you post stuff from modern scholars while i point to the sources. How can they prove their claims?

    I already gave 2 examples:Crucified Bakhos(Dionysus) He was ressurected after his death.It dates 300 bce(before christian era)

    Mithras and Christmass: "Christmas for Christians marks the birth of Jesus the Son of God, the long-promised Messiah of the Jews. Of course, as with most celebrations that have their wellsprings in the divine, there is uncertainty about whether Christmas should really be celebrated on the twenty-fifth of December.

    The early disciples of Jesus did not celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. It is said that the celebration was a creation of the Roman Emperor Constantine as he tried to induct his people who were worshippers of the Babylonian and Roman Gods, into the more recent Christian faith. Pagan rituals and Gods were given Christian names. Jesus, the Sun of Righteousness, replaced the Sun God Sol Ivictus. Christmas replaced the "Victory of the Sun God" Festival and the Festival of Saturn (Saturnalia) of the Mithras. December twenty-fifth was also a significant date in the ancient world, as to all religions, this date marked the birthday of the Gods. It was the time of the year when the days began to lengthen and it symbolised the regeneration of nature.

    It should come as no surprise then, that the more austere Protestants were opposed to the idea of celebrating Christmas."

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    Post Re: Apollonius of Tyana: The Hellene Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Alkman
    Once more you post stuff from modern scholars while i point to the sources. How can they prove their claims?
    Through careful studying of the facts.

    I already gave 2 examples:Crucified Bakhos(Dionysus) He was ressurected after his death.It dates 300 bce(before christian era)
    You seem to think that in order for Christianity to be true, it has to be 100% unique. Every religion has a concept of a god dying. In fact when I have time, I'll post excerpts from Nash and Metzger on this issue.

    Mithras and Christmass: "Christmas for Christians marks the birth of Jesus the Son of God, the long-promised Messiah of the Jews. Of course, as with most celebrations that have their wellsprings in the divine, there is uncertainty about whether Christmas should really be celebrated on the twenty-fifth of December.

    The early disciples of Jesus did not celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. It is said that the celebration was a creation of the Roman Emperor Constantine as he tried to induct his people who were worshippers of the Babylonian and Roman Gods, into the more recent Christian faith. Pagan rituals and Gods were given Christian names. Jesus, the Sun of Righteousness, replaced the Sun God Sol Ivictus. Christmas replaced the "Victory of the Sun God" Festival and the Festival of Saturn (Saturnalia) of the Mithras. December twenty-fifth was also a significant date in the ancient world, as to all religions, this date marked the birthday of the Gods. It was the time of the year when the days began to lengthen and it symbolised the regeneration of nature.

    It should come as no surprise then, that the more austere Protestants were opposed to the idea of celebrating Christmas."
    Frontiersman dealt with this issue in the Halloween customes thread.

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    Post Re: Apollonius of Tyana: The Hellene Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Taras Bulba
    Through careful studying of the facts.
    Leave aside the claims than and show us the facts.



    Quote Originally Posted by Taras Bulba
    You seem to think that in order for Christianity to be true, it has to be 100% unique. Every religion has a concept of a god dying. In fact when I have time, I'll post excerpts from Nash and Metzger on this issue.
    Is it all you see in this picture,a god dying.
    I would call it a pre-christian Christ

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