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    I believe red hair to be an ancient characteristic. Older than blondism. Besides it's a depigmented phenotype, even respect the blond. Northern italy shows a percentage of 2-3%, while southern, less than 1% (Biasutti data). I've ever thought to be a sign of ancient celtic populations, cause its presence in british isles populations(especially in those pop. not mixed with anglo-saxon element. Note: red hair is present on the southern coasts of iceland(in a zone populated by irish people enslaved by vikings, who took them to iceland during a process of colonization of the isle). Often the color in british isles is associated with weavy texture of hairs. (in ancient Egypt was a sign of SETH protection)

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    We obviously know dark hair is a dominant feature over blonde. But what about blonde and red? Is it possible that central Europe (Germanics) who were said to once be greatly red haired, experienced a dominant blonde gene from an outside source?

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    Post Re: Nordics and the Upper Palaeolithic Survivors

    I think that the genes for red hair and those for blonde hair are rather codominant, and can both exist in a given population.






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    Quote Originally Posted by ForMyFatherland
    We obviously know dark hair is a dominant feature over blonde. But what about blonde and red? Is it possible that central Europe (Germanics) who were said to once be greatly red haired, experienced a dominant blonde gene from an outside source?
    I don't know if hair color of ancient germanic was red. Although, i think blond to be a little dominant over red.

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    Post Re: Nordics and the Upper Palaeolithic Survivors

    When ancient writers denoted particular tribes as being red-haired, in many cases they may have been speaking of golden-blond hair which, according to Coon and others, has varying degrees of red undertones, as opposed to ash-blond, which has none. In certain lights the red or reddish tones become more apparent.

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    Post Re: Nordics and the Upper Palaeolithic Survivors

    Quote Originally Posted by cruhmann
    When ancient writers denoted particular tribes as being red-haired, in many cases they may have been speaking of golden-blond hair which, according to Coon and others, has varying degrees of red undertones, as opposed to ash-blond, which has none. In certain lights the red or reddish tones become more apparent.
    This is what I sort of thought of for my red-haired Borrebies, except that their hair is more often a golden brown with red undertones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    I think that the genes for red hair and those for blonde hair are rather codominant, and can both exist in a given population.
    Red and blond more or less correspond to R1b and R1a populations in Europe, but since both were originally just R1, red and blonde are easily found between them, especially with admixture of both West and East in Europe. The countries where this is rather even are in Scandinavia, where the third component is I1 and that would likely be the source of brown complexion, along with black in I2 of the Mediterranean. Relatively speaking, this results in Norway the most red, Sweden the most blond and Denmark the most brown, just going by Nordic ethnicity alone. In the Atlantic, red is highest and in the Baltic, blond is highest; brown seems to creep northwards from the Alps in all directions, but there is no real escape, since I (both I1 and I2) was there before R1 and the latter took the daughters of the former. There are no purely complexioned nations of Europe, just greater propensities in one shade or another.
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    Reading through all this old info and just wanted to share this: I have blond hair/blue eyes (Germanic) and wife has red hair/green eyes (Celtic), and none of our kids have red hair (3 blondes and 1 light brown). Kids eyes are green, blue, one blue/one turns from green to blue and back (Horner's Syndrome eye), and gray/green. Random!

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