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  • All Celtic/Gaulish

    1 1.03%
  • All Teutonic/Germanic

    0 0%
  • All Latin

    1 1.03%
  • Mostly Celtic/Gaulish, partially Teutonic/Germanic, minimally Latin

    39 40.21%
  • Mostly Celtic/Gaulish, partially Latin, minimally Teutonic/Germanic

    29 29.90%
  • Mostly Teutonic/Germanic, partially Celtic/Gaulish, minimally Latin

    4 4.12%
  • Mostly Teutonic/Germanic, partially Latin, minimally Celtic/Gaulish

    1 1.03%
  • Mostly Latin, partially Teutonic/Germanic, minimally Celtic/Gaulish

    5 5.15%
  • Mostly Latin, partially Celtic/Gaulish, minimally Teutonic/Germanic

    14 14.43%
  • None of the above

    3 3.09%
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    Post Re: What Is The Superethnic/Metaethnic Identity Of MOST Frenchmen/women?

    I think most of French comrades would agree with me that Isabelle Huppert would be that reppresentative pattern. Although Sophie Marceau would be quite a nice exaple of a fine French woman too. On men I would choose Pascal Greggory and Vincent Cassel, I´m not an expert, just opinions. Thanks.

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    Post Re : Re: What Is The Superethnic/Metaethnic Identity Of MOST Frenchmen/women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic Tiger
    About the Med element, i think you generalize too much, N. Paladin. Yes, south France and Ligurian coast have a strong Med influence, but only if you mean the word mditerranean in the wider sense : indeed, the inhabitants of those zones, aren't mediterranean in the "classic" sense you probably imagine (short statured, dark pigmented, heavly gracialized etc.) southern france, pop. is mostly "Western-Med" (even called "Atlantid" in his more depigmented version) ; a type distinguishable by medium-tall height and slightly pigmented ( in the hair, the intermediate tones predominate, while the eyes are often hazel/green or grey/blue). Asociated to this type we must cite the "Atlanto-Med", tall statured and imponent with a dark or even intermediate pigmentation. In conclusion, surely not the "typical" Mediterranean you think, rather Atlantid, i'd say, often mixed with some alpinid strain. (Elsasser, please, correct me if i'm wrong............)
    Yes, you're right. I posted pics of people from Provence/French Riviera, Languedoc, Roussillon and Corsica (French Mediterranean areas) at Stirpes and it seems these areas were generally mostly Atlantid.

    http://forum.stirpes.net/showpost.ph...3&postcount=58 (Corsica)
    http://forum.stirpes.net/showpost.ph...9&postcount=59 (Provence/Riviera)
    http://forum.stirpes.net/showpost.ph...6&postcount=65 (Languedoc/Roussillon)

    Roussillon does show very strong Spanish influences though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Jarl
    Laetitia Casta's pigmentation (her light skin, blue eyes and medium/light brown hair) strikes me as more Northern French than Southern.
    Well, as far as I know she is only 1/4 Corsican (her father is half Corsican half Normandian, and her mother Normandian) so she is not really a good example of Southern French.
    I would say Sébastien Grosjean (tennisman) is :



    Or this guy (for Languedoc) :



    You've also (Sub-)Nordic-looking people in these areas, such as Emmanuelle Béart.
    I can post more pics in another thread if some people are interested in Southern French anthropology.
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    Post Re : Re: What Is The Superethnic/Metaethnic Identity Of MOST Frenchmen/women?

    Quote Originally Posted by JOSEPH KONRAD
    I think most of French comrades would agree with me that Isabelle Huppert would be that reppresentative pattern. Although Sophie Marceau would be quite a nice exaple of a fine French woman too. On men I would choose Pascal Greggory and Vincent Cassel, I´m not an expert, just opinions. Thanks.
    Are you talking about France as a whole or Southern France ?
    I agree for Sophie Marceau and Isabelle Huppert, and Pascal Grégory to some extent. But I don't think Cassel is a good example of French man though, he looks rather "exotic" here in my opinion.
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    Post Re: Re : Re: What Is The Superethnic/Metaethnic Identity Of MOST Frenchmen/women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Der Elsasser

    Well, as far as I know she is only 1/4 Corsican (her father is half Corsican half Normandian, and her mother Normandian) so she is not really a good example of Southern French.
    I thought she should be more "mediterranean", given that I (wrongly) believed she was half Corsican. Thanks Elsasser, this clears things up.

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    This idea of "French being mostly gauls" is a national myth that tries to legitimize ethnically the existence of this country. The French language has almost no words coming from Celtic but on the contrary there are a lot of words that come from Germanic. I do not mean to say that there aren't any Gauls at all, but they concentrate in the west. The east / north east is predominantly of Germanic heritage.

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    Re: What Is The Superethnic/Metaethnic Identity Of MOST Frenchmen/women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Witukind
    The French language has almost no words coming from Celtic
    There are plenty of french words coming from gallic language. I believe the use of latin has been spread by catholic faith.

    Concerning the poll, probably more than 60% of the french population is of celtic origin (gallic and breton). Concerning the other groups, it's difficult to see which of them dominates, and they've all heavily mixed with the celts. Germanics and 'latins' seem to be equally represented. ('Latins' include, I suppose, all med peoples like romans, ligurs, greeks, basques or ibers...)

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    Re: What Is The Superethnic/Metaethnic Identity Of MOST Frenchmen/women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Penn ar bed
    There are plenty of french words coming from gallic language. I believe the use of latin has been spread by catholic faith.

    Concerning the poll, probably more than 60% of the french population is of celtic origin (gallic and breton). Concerning the other groups, it's difficult to see which of them dominates, and they've all heavily mixed with the celts. Germanics and 'latins' seem to be equally represented. ('Latins' include, I suppose, all med peoples like romans, ligurs, greeks, basques or ibers...)
    There are French words that come from Gallic, but Latin came to Gaul much earlier than the Church did when Julius Caesar conquered it, and the settling Roman people moved in and the Gauls and Romans intermixed. Voila.

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    Re: What Is The Superethnic/Metaethnic Identity Of MOST Frenchmen/women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Veritas Aequitas
    There are French words that come from Gallic, but Latin came to Gaul much earlier than the Church did when Julius Caesar conquered it, and the settling Roman people moved in and the Gauls and Romans intermixed. Voila.
    Not so sure that there were that many Romans settlers.
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    Re: What Is The Superethnic/Metaethnic Identity Of MOST Frenchmen/women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Weg
    Not so sure that there were that many Romans settlers.

    Same here. It's not easy to tell the exact number of Roman settlers in Europe. Probably much less than many think. Roman style of conquest was mostly cultural, not racial.

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    Re: What Is The Superethnic/Metaethnic Identity Of MOST Frenchmen/women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Huzar
    Same here. It's not easy to tell the exact number of Roman settlers in Europe. Probably much less than many think. Roman style of conquest was mostly cultural, not racial.
    Yes, I believe so. It's possible to rule a foreign territory with a minimum of manpower and a good organisation, what Romans definitely were able to do.
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