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  • All Celtic/Gaulish

    1 1.03%
  • All Teutonic/Germanic

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  • All Latin

    1 1.03%
  • Mostly Celtic/Gaulish, partially Teutonic/Germanic, minimally Latin

    39 40.21%
  • Mostly Celtic/Gaulish, partially Latin, minimally Teutonic/Germanic

    29 29.90%
  • Mostly Teutonic/Germanic, partially Celtic/Gaulish, minimally Latin

    4 4.12%
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    1 1.03%
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    5 5.15%
  • Mostly Latin, partially Celtic/Gaulish, minimally Teutonic/Germanic

    14 14.43%
  • None of the above

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    Post Re : Re: Re : Re: What Is The Superethnic/Metaethnic Identity Of MOST Frenchmen/women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucifer
    Mostly Celtic/Gaulish, partially Latin, minimally Teutonic/Germanic - They like to think they're Germanics though
    LOL. Did you read my post at The Phora about our Germanicness before it was down or have I to write it again ?
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    Post Re: What Is The Superethnic/Metaethnic Identity Of MOST Frenchmen/women?

    The ethnic French are Celtic and Germanic, the Britons are of course Celts, and the Occitanians are pre-Celtic Mediterranean with Latin and Celtic influence.

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    Post Re : Re: What Is The Superethnic/Metaethnic Identity Of MOST Frenchmen/women?

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    The ethnic French are Celtic and Germanic, the Britons are of course Celts.
    Right.

    and the Occitanians are pre-Celtic Mediterranean with Latin and Celtic influence
    Right, although there is an important difference between Western (mainly Aquitaine actually) and Eastern "Occitania" ("Narbonnaise" on the map below).
    Indeed Narbonnaise was conquered in - 122 and there were many Roman colonizers there (and also Greek colonizers before that, Monaco, Marseille and Nice were founded by them), while Aquitaine and Western France weren't really colonized. Also the Wisigoths and then the Franks settled in Aquitaine, and not in South-Eastern France (Narbonnaise); the English also ruled Aquitaine during several centuries.
    Therefore I would say South-Eastern French are mainly pre-Celtic Mediterranean and Latin with some Celtic influences, while South-Western French are mostly Celtic with some Latin and Germanic influences.

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    Post Re: Re : Re: What Is The Superethnic/Metaethnic Identity Of MOST Frenchmen/women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Der Elsasser
    Therefore I would say South-Eastern French are mainly pre-Celtic Mediterranean and Latin with some Celtic influences, while South-Western French are mostly Celtic with some Latin and Germanic influences.
    The Aquitanians werent Celtic, their language was related to modern Basque.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    The Aquitanians werent Celtic, their language was related to modern Basque.
    But Aquitaine was conquered by the Celts, and the Aquitanians took refuge in the Pyrenees and what is now called Basque country. 4000 years ago the Ligurians expeled the Magdalenians to the Pyrenees and Basque country, and then (during the Celtic invasions) it was their turn.
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    Post Re: Re : Re: What Is The Superethnic/Metaethnic Identity Of MOST Frenchmen/women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Der Elsasser
    Interesting, what is your opinion about Piemonte (Piedmont), and also Toscana (Tuscany) ?
    I guess Friuli is similar to Veneto, with perhaps Slavic admixture, and Trentino predominantly Germanic ?

    Very good Elsasser ! effectively, Padania needs a little clarification........North Italy, was inhabited thousands of years ago, by Pre-Celtic and pre-indo/europeans populations, like Ligurians. Those populations were of Atlanto-Med appearence, phenotypically. Afterly, around 500 B.C. , Celtic -Gaulish tribes, from Central Europe, invaded the area, whom became "Cisalpine Gallia". Celts fusioned themselves with pre-celtic populations, modifing the phenotype in a Central european sense. Gauls-Celts substantially brought in the area, types like Alpine, Borreby, Brunn, Atlantid, and Keltic nordic. My grandfather ("classify the captain" thread), could be a good example of an Atlantid type from north-west Italy (or better, Western-Padania).

    In the centuries after, Roman empire invaded the area, but they didn't alterate the composition of the area, substantially. After the fall of roman empire, Germanic Longbards invaded north-east, and after, Franks invaded northwest Germanic pop. brought in the country Keltic-Nordic, Nordic, Dinaric types, less or more.

    In few words, Germanic influence (a minority of course, in general terms) is stronger in north-east, while Celtic, is stronger in north-west : besides we must note a notable residual of pre-celtic phenotypical element (a bit like the ,relatively, "dark" complexioned people from British Isles) (atlanto-Med component). Indeed, on the Ligurian coast, there is a notable Atlanto-Med or Litorid component, while toward a more internal zone (Piedmont) U.P. types, -Alpine, Keltic-Nordic elements dominate the composition.
    Last edited by Huzar; Friday, June 17th, 2005 at 07:36 AM.

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    Post Re: What Is The Superethnic/Metaethnic Identity Of MOST Frenchmen/women?

    Say whatever you want, but there are still a lot of Northern Italians with Germanic(-derived) last names. People just don't recognize them as such because of the romanization of names (from runic script), the latinization of the names themselves and the general stereotype of Italy as a 'mediterranean' country.

    Since the founding of "Italy" - the unified farce - the mediterranean culture of the south has been centralized (in Rome) and 'distributed' over the whole country. It doesn't only affect the north, also places in the south in a way.
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    Post Re: What Is The Superethnic/Metaethnic Identity Of MOST Frenchmen/women?

    My best childhood friend was a blond, blue-eyed Italian kid, from a family who would have looked just as well at home in Tyrol; I think they were from this region, and it is easy to imagine their Italian surname as derrived from a Germanic original name.

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    Post Re: Re : Re: What Is The Superethnic/Metaethnic Identity Of MOST Frenchmen/women?

    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic Tiger
    Very good Elsasser ! effectively, Padania needs a little clarification........North Italy, was inhabited thousands of years ago, by Pre-Celtic and pre-indo/europeans populations, like Ligurians. Those populations were of Atlanto-Med appearence, phenotypically. Afterly, around 500 B.C. , Celtic -Gaulish tribes, from Central Europe, invaded the area, whom became "Cisalpine Gallia". Celts fusioned themselves with pre-celtic populations, modifing the phenotype in a Central european sense. Gauls-Celts substantially brought in the area, types like Alpine, Borreby, Brunn, Atlantid, and Keltic nordic. My grandfather ("classify the captain" thread), could be a good example of an Atlantid type from north-west Italy (or better, Western-Padania).

    In the centuries after, Roman empire invaded the area, but they didn't alterate the composition of the area, substantially. After the fall of roman empire, Germanic Longbards invaded north-east, and after, Franks invaded northwest Germanic pop. brought in the country Keltic-Nordic, Nordic, Dinaric types, less or more.

    In few words, Germanic influence (a minority of course, in general terms) is stronger in north-east, while Celtic, is stronger in north-west : besides we must note a notable residual of pre-celtic phenotypical element (a bit like the ,relatively, "dark" complexioned people from British Isles) (atlanto-Med component). Indeed, on the Ligurian coast, there is a notable Atlanto-Med or Litorid component, while toward a more internal zone (Piedmont) U.P. types, -Alpine, Keltic-Nordic elements dominate the composition.
    The boundary between the Italians and northern Italy is the Po Valley, which was occupied by the Celts and Teutons. Some parts of Padania arent really northern Italian regions.

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    Post Re: Re : Re: What Is The Superethnic/Metaethnic Identity Of MOST Frenchmen/women?

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    The boundary between the Italians and northern Italy is the Po Valley, which was occupied by the Celts and Teutons.
    It was actually occupied mostly by Germanics, hardly - almost not - by Celts. The Germanics, or Teutons, more or less forced out a lot of Celts (like they did everywhere they came). It is a fact, though, that Celts have been longer in the Po-valley region than Germanics. A lot of Celtic influences that are still present in Northern Italy have remained from pre-Romance and pre-Germanic times.


    Some parts of Padania arent really northern Italian regions.
    Of course they aren't, they are Padanian, not "Italian"

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