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    Quote Originally Posted by KYAnglo View Post
    African slave labor here in the American South proved profitable early on, particularly for British merchants and yankee shippers. As you noted, all 13 colonies had negro slaves at and after Independence, and yankee ship owners continued to dominate and profit from the slave trade until its prohibition in 1808. Some continued to illegally smuggle African slaves to the States after that year.
    To me, the institution was a very unfortunate inheritance from British colonial days that took root and became an America-wide problem. The Northern states were able to end slavery and sell them South because it became increasingly unprofitable in the North.
    They still had no problem shipping them and selling them here in the South.
    American victory in the Revolution would have been an ideal time to end slavery in all the States, free of British imperial control. Some Founders like Jefferson and Franklin wanted to do just. Jefferson originally listed African slavery as one of the indictments against the Crown in our Declaration of Independence, but it was excised from fear of alienating Deep South States like South Carolina.
    It was no doubt profitable, at least in the beginning, to import laborers to areas with opportunity. Slavery was the most practical form for this. Because the only negotiation was done, when purchasing the slave. The Americas had fertile lands that could produce agricultural commodities in abundance that would fetch a high price in Europe at the time. Examples of this are of course Cotton, sugar, tobacco, perhaps some spices. Those crops are labour-intensive in their cultivation and different from Europe labour to do that kind of work wasn't available in those regions. Bear in mind that serfdom was still common in Europe of that time as well, while the signs already where there for phasing this economic model out.

    It was the Western Nations that decided to phase out Slavery completely. It is however arguable whether a slave was economically worse off than an unskilled day labourer at the time. The master had a vested interest in the long term well-being of the slave, while an employer on day basis only had vested interest in the work of the labourer that day.

    Jews were involved in slavery and the Slave Trade.
    https://archive.org/details/Arnold-W...olonial-Brazil

    Of course that aspect will be above critique, in the public dealings with the issue.

    Slavery debase labour and gainful employment in the mind of members of society:
    So long as all labor continues to be performed exclusively or usually by slaves, the baseness of all productive effort is too constantly and deterrently present in the mind of men to allow the instinct of workmanship seriously to take effect in the direction of industrial usefulness; but when the quasi-peaceable stage (with slavery and status) passes into the peaceable stage of industry (with wage labor and cash payment) the instinct comes more effectively into play. It then begins aggressively to shape men's views of what is meritorious, and asserts itself at least as an auxiliary canon of self-complacency. All extraneous considerations apart, those persons (adult) are but a vanishing minority today who harbor no inclination to the accomplishment of some end, or who are not impelled of their own motion to shape some object or fact or relation for human use. The propensity may in large measure be overborne by the more immediately constraining incentive to a reputable leisure and an avoidance of indecorous usefulness, and it may therefore work itself out in make-believe only; as for instance in "social duties," and in quasi-artistic or quasi-scholarly accomplishments, in the care and decoration of the house, in sewing-circle activity or dress reform, in proficiency at dress, cards, yachting, golf, and various sports. But the fact that it may under stress of circumstances eventuate in inanities no more disproves the presence of the instinct than the reality of the brooding instinct is disproved by inducing a hen to sit on a nestful of china eggs.

    This latter-day uneasy reaching-out for some form of purposeful activity that shall at the same time not be indecorously productive of either individual or collective gain marks a difference of attitude between the modern leisure class and that of the quasi-peaceable stage. At the earlier stage, as was said above, the all-dominating institution of slavery and status acted resistlessly to discountenance exertion directed to other than naively predatory ends. It was still possible to find some habitual employment for the inclination to action in the way of forcible aggression or repression directed against hostile groups or against the subject classes within the group; and this served to relieve the pressure and draw off the energy of the leisure class without a resort to actually useful, or even ostensibly useful employments. The practice of hunting also served the same purpose in some degree. When the community developed into a peaceful industrial organization, and when fuller occupation of the land had reduced the opportunities for the hunt to an inconsiderable residue, the pressure of energy seeking purposeful employment was left to find an outlet in some other direction.
    Thorstein Veblen: Theory of the Leisure Class

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theunissen View Post
    It was no doubt profitable, at least in the beginning, to import laborers to areas with opportunity. Slavery was the most practical form for this. Because the only negotiation was done, when purchasing the slave. The Americas had fertile lands that could produce agricultural commodities in abundance that would fetch a high price in Europe at the time. Examples of this are of course Cotton, sugar, tobacco, perhaps some spices. Those crops are labour-intensive in their cultivation and different from Europe labour to do that kind of work wasn't available in those regions. Bear in mind that serfdom was still common in Europe of that time as well, while the signs already where there for phasing this economic model out.

    It was the Western Nations that decided to phase out Slavery completely. It is however arguable whether a slave was economically worse off than an unskilled day labourer at the time. The master had a vested interest in the long term well-being of the slave, while an employer on day basis only had vested interest in the work of the labourer that day.

    Jews were involved in slavery and the Slave Trade.
    https://archive.org/details/Arnold-W...olonial-Brazil

    Of course that aspect will be above critique, in the public dealings with the issue.

    Slavery debase labour and gainful employment in the mind of members of society:
    Yes, jews in northern states were among those involved in the slave trade. Northern cities like Boston, Providence, New York, etc were centers of the trans-Atlantic trade in Africans. Major fortunes of some prominent jewish and yankee families were built on it.
    Some of my ancestors were small-scale slave owners apparently, but none of the rich planter class. With modern hindsight, the institution never should have been allowed to flourish, because it resulted in a large negro population here, and was as you say, detrimental to average working white folk wherever it existed to any considerable extent.
    That propaganda film that is the subject of this thread is obviously not about any sort of accurate depiction of the institution in its historical context, just more stirring of anti-white racial hatred through anachronistic modern revisionist bigotry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    A less family friendly side-note,
    Spoiler!


    So, I think that we know who the intended audience is and what the actual purpose of the creation is.
    Make sure there is no one around, visit /r/raceplay, thank me later.

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