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    Dating Is Done, Marriage And Birthrates Falling Off A Cliff. Science Says It's The Collapse Of Society.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech
    50% of American singles don't want to date anymore nor are they interested in a relationship. They're de facto men and women going their own way. Only 14% of singles are looking for something resembling a serious relationship. And the first article I'm posting also says that "by the time today’s young adults reach the age of 50, about one in four of them will have been single their entire lives. That’s a cohort of 50-year-olds in which 25 percent have never been married." This article makes for a very sobering reality check.

    People simply have become egotistical, can't compromise and aren't used to compromising - nor will they all of a sudden learn to after being single for a decade. And there are too many distractions/other things you can occupy yourself with without being in a relationship thanks to electricity and technology. All that comes on top of feminism's nefarious influence + men not wanting to deal with that anymore.

    America just has a hookup culture now, and us Europeans are likely not doing any better.

    Single American Skadites looking for a relationship have only one in ten chance of meeting someone also interested in a relationship - and that says nothing about who they are, they could be revolting to you. This is what I've tried to explain before: the odds of anyone finding anyone in this dating market are absurdly slim, microscopically small. If you're single today, you're likely to die single.

    Hence it's better to revolt against this setup than to sustain it with apathy or by playing a game you can't win. At this point those 14% single Americans still looking for love have a bigger chance of ever finding a partner by becoming Amish or replacing the current gender dynamic with a trad. fundamentalist revolution, than by using dating apps.
    Half of Singles Don’t Want a Relationship or Even a Date

    Many singles like being single and have more important priorities than coupling.

    Source: PsychologyToday

    A just-released report from the Pew Research Center sends a dagger straight through the heart of a popular mythology—the one that insists that what single people want, more than anything else, is to become coupled. So untrue. The findings, based on a national, random sampling of nearly 5,000 adults in the U.S., showed that 50 percent of single people are not interested in a committed romantic relationship and they are not even interested in a date.

    Another 10 percent want nothing more than casual dates. About a quarter of single people, 26 percent, would be interested in casual dates or a committed romantic relationship. Just 14 percent are looking only for a serious romantic relationship.

    It would be tempting to assume that this is a testament to the growing numbers of single people. Just about every time the Census Bureau releases its latest figures, we learn that there are even more single people than there were the year before. A previous Pew report made the remarkable prediction that by the time today’s young adults reach the age of 50, about one in four of them will have been single their entire lives. That’s a cohort of 50-year-olds in which 25 percent have never been married.

    The phenomenon is not specific to the U.S. or to Western nations. In many countries all around the world, rates of marriage are also headed downhill.

    I’ve been keeping track of surveys of people’s interest in marriage and romantic relationships for years. Because the questions are asked in different ways with different kinds of options for answering, the results can seem confusing. There is, though, one study very similar to the new 2020 survey—a survey, also conducted by the Pew Research Center, from 2005. (It is study #1 in this review.)

    The participants in the 2005 Pew survey were adults in the U.S. who were legally single—either divorced, separated, or widowed, or they had always been single. They were asked whether they were in a committed romantic relationship, and whether they were currently looking for a partner. They were not asked whether they were interested in casual dating.

    Those results from 15 years ago were strikingly similar to the ones just reported. More than half of all unmarried Americans, 55 percent, were not in a committed romantic relationship and were not looking for one. Just 16 percent of unmarried Americans who were not already in a serious relationship said that they wanted to be.

    Solo single people uninterested in a romantic relationship:

    50 percent — 2020 survey
    55 percent — 2005 survey

    Solo single people looking for a serious romantic relationship:

    14 percent — 2020 survey
    16 percent — 2005 survey

    The 2020 study was a bit different because it started with people who were socially single rather than just legally single. “Single” was defined as not married (that’s the legal definition) and also not living with a partner or in a committed romantic relationship (those people are socially single). Of all those single people—people not currently married or in a serious romantic relationship—exactly half, 50 percent, said that they were not looking for a romantic relationship or even a date. Only 14 percent said they wanted a committed romantic relationship and not just something casual.

    Especially Uninterested in Romantic Partnering: People Who Have Tried Marriage Before and Older Women

    The findings I have summarized so far were averaged across all single people. But unmarried people are quite a diverse group. Are there differences among single people in who is most uninterested in romantic partnering?

    When I reviewed five previous studies, I found one strong and consistent finding: People who have tried marriage before (they are divorced or widowed) are especially unlikely to want to try it again. The new 2020 study, which asked a broader question about interest in romantic partnering (not just marriage), found the same thing.

    Remember that across all single people, whether previously married or always single, 50 percent said they were uninterested in a romantic relationship or even a date. For divorced people, that number was 56 percent and for the widowed, it was a striking 74 percent. Only the people who had never tried marriage were more likely to be interested in romantic partnering than uninterested (38 percent were uninterested).

    The high level of disinterest among the widowed suggests that age could also be a factor, and it is. Three-quarters of people 65 and older are completely uninterested in a romantic relationship or dating. For the 50- to 64-year-olds, the percentage is the same as for the sample as a whole—half are uninterested. Among the younger groups, fewer people express no interest at all in romantic relationships or dating, but the percentages are still substantial—39 percent for the 30- to 49-year-olds and 37 percent for the 18- to 29-year-olds.

    Uninterested in romantic relationships or dating

    37 percent — ages 18-29
    39 percent — ages 30-49
    50 percent — ages 50-64
    75 percent — ages 65+

    More women than men have no interest in romantic relationships or dating. The difference becomes even greater at older ages. At ages 40 and above, more than 7 in 10 women (71 percent) are completely uninterested in dating or romantic relationships, compared to 42 percent of men. Among the younger adults, the difference is just 39 percent for the women, compared to 33 percent for the men. These findings tell the same story as previous studies of gender differences in experiences of single life.
    Why Aren’t Singles Interested in Romantic Partnering?

    In one of my previous posts here at Living Single, I critiqued a study that tried to figure out why men stay single based on just one flaming Reddit thread. Even in that thread, in which the men were egging each other on to say outrageous things, striking numbers of men said that they were single because they liked being single, they had other priorities, or they just weren’t interested in romantic relationships. Not that you could easily tell that from the published version of the article. The author tried to bury all those kinds of answers and instead emphasized comments suggesting that the men were single because they were ugly, had low self-esteem, or just weren’t making much of an effort.

    The Pew researchers were a bit more even-handed. First, their recruitment efforts targeted a national sample. And second, they did not rely on a Reddit thread to generate the possible answers.

    By far, the two most popular answers the national sample of U.S. adults gave for why they were uninterested in romantic partnering were that they have more important priorities (47 percent), and they just like being single (44 percent).

    Have more important priorities

    61 percent — ages 18-49
    38 percent — ages 50+

    Like being single

    41 percent — ages 18-49
    46 percent — ages 50+

    The younger adults (under the age of 50) were especially likely to say that they have more important priorities; 61 percent of them said that, compared to 38 percent of the older adults.

    The older adults (50 and over) were especially likely to say that they just liked being single; 46 percent of them said that, even more than the 38 percent who said they have more important priorities. A very substantial number of the younger adults, 41 percent, also said that they just liked being single.

    All the other reasons for being uninterested in romantic partnering were far less important.

    20 percent — too busy
    18 percent — haven’t had luck in the past
    17 percent — feel like no one would be interested
    17 percent — not ready after losing a spouse or ending a relationship
    17 percent — feel like I am too old
    11 percent — have health problems that make it difficult

    The men and women were very similar in 7 of the 8 reasons for their lack of interest in romantic partnering. The one difference was in their fear that no one would be interested in them; more men than women worried about that, 26 percent vs. 12 percent.
    Shrugging Off the Pressure to Partner

    Mental blanketing is my term for the relentless and pervasive glorifying of marriage and shaming of single people. I described it in detail in Singled Out. The results of the Pew survey show that many single people are no longer feeling that pressure from society, especially as they get older. Even those who are feeling it are not letting it get to them. They are no more likely to be looking for a romantic relationship than people who are not feeling the pressure.


    Latest Marriage Data Suggests Dark Future For America If Things Don’t Change Fast

    The future of our nation is at risk if we don't take action to reverse the damage that has been done to marriage, family, and parenting in 21st-century America.

    Federalist

    Perhaps the most important document to come out of the U.S. Senate this year was released last month, and while a report on President Donald Trump’s tax returns, another COVID-19 relief package, or infrastructure legislation likely would have gotten major media attention, this important document flew under the radar.

    The report, titled “The Demise of the Happy Two-Parent Home” and produced by the Social Capital Project of the Joint Economic Committee Republicans, dealt with our nation’s crumbling infrastructure in its own way: the American family and how its decay has infected all aspects of society.

    It All Ties Back to Healthy Families

    The report states, “As sources of social capital, few relationships are as important as the family ties between parents and children.” Yet according to the congressional report, more than 45 percent of American children, by the time they reach late adolescence, spend some time without either a mother or a father in the home.

    Eighty percent of black children are raised by a single parent, as well as two-thirds of all children whose mothers have less than a high school education. More than half of Hispanic births are out of wedlock, as are 28 percent of Caucasian births, up from 2 percent in 1960.

    Marriage — which provides economic and social stability to both men and women and a loving, nurturing home for children — is in serious decline. According to the report, the percentage of women between the ages of 15 and 44 who are married has declined from 71 percent in 1962 to just 42 percent today. Meanwhile, the percentage of never-married women between the ages of 30 and 34 has gone from just over 5 percent in 1962 to 35 percent in 2019.

    Another startling statistic is that cohabitation now precedes two-thirds of all marriages, compared to just 1 percent 60 years ago. This has contributed to the staggering increases in unwed childbearing, with only 5 percent of children in 1962 being born to an unwed mother and 40 percent today being born to an unmarried female.

    The rates for minority families are even more alarming: 64 percent of black women in their early 30s have never been married, resulting in the staggering 80 percent of black children being raised by a single parent. That is why so many young men in our inner cities never know who their father is — or in some cases do not even have a relationship with their mother. Many of these children are raising themselves. If there was ever a cocktail for societal rage, that’s it.

    Given the fact that nearly every study shows children do best in stable, two-parent homes — which makes them less apt to experience physical, emotional, or sexual abuse, less likely to live in poverty, and more likely to have better health, exhibit less aggression, and do better educationally — is it any wonder that with the breakdown of the family, we are seeing increasing numbers of directionless and destructive young adults?

    The Decline of Marriage Is Ominous News

    One of the constant complaints we hear from young women is the lack of marriageable men and the abundance of men who are not financially and emotionally prepared to be a husband and father. The report goes into detail about how the lack of marriageable men is seen as a leading factor in the rise of single parenting, and the average age of marriage is rising year after year.

    While the report discounts the theory that men are seen as not marriageable because of economic reasons, it does say the rise of affluence has led men to pursue self-fulfillment instead of being emotionally ready to embrace the responsibility of being a devoted husband and father.

    With the decline of marriage, and particularly of fathers, these young men lack models to follow. Add in a society that tells them marriage is just an option rather than a requirement for male-female unions, and the rise of internet pornography that turns women into mere objects to discard rather than individuals to love, honor, and cherish, and you have created an opt-out for men to take responsibility for their lives.

    After reciting one tragic statistic after another, the report concludes: “Changing the course of family stability will likely require substantial effort, given the magnitude of the challenge in many American communities today and the pervasiveness of the decline.”

    We Must Renew the Family Structure

    As we wrote in our book, “American Restoration: How Faith, Family, and Personal Sacrifice Can Heal Our Nation”: “To restore marriage and the family and to begin to reverse the damage of the past fifty-plus years, our efforts must start with the renewal of the family and a restoration of religious faith. By solving this problem, we can then restore social capital and effectively address issues such as inner-city crime, drug addiction, income inequality, and incivility.”

    If we are going to keep our society from crumbling, we need to repair marriage and the family first. A critical element in doing so is the restoration of religious faith and the values that come with it: strong marriages, monogamy, and seeing each person Imago Dei, in the image of God.

    These are the reasons this report is the most important document to come out of the Senate this year, and we ignore it at our peril. The very future of our nation is at risk if we do not take action to reverse the damage that has been done to marriage, family, and parenting in 21st-century America.

    Fertility rate: 'Jaw-dropping' global crash in children being born

    The world is ill-prepared for the global crash in children being born which is set to have a "jaw-dropping" impact on societies, say researchers.

    Source: BBC

    Falling fertility rates mean nearly every country could have shrinking populations by the end of the century.

    And 23 nations - including Spain and Japan - are expected to see their populations halve by 2100.

    Countries will also age dramatically, with as many people turning 80 as there are being born.

    What is going on?

    The fertility rate - the average number of children a woman gives birth to - is falling.

    If the number falls below approximately 2.1, then the size of the population starts to fall.

    In 1950, women were having an average of 4.7 children in their lifetime.

    Researchers at the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation showed the global fertility rate nearly halved to 2.4 in 2017 - and their study, published in the Lancet , projects it will fall below 1.7 by 2100.

    "That's a pretty big thing; most of the world is transitioning into natural population decline," researcher Prof Christopher Murray told the BBC.

    "I think it's incredibly hard to think this through and recognise how big a thing this is; it's extraordinary, we'll have to reorganise societies."
    Why are fertility rates falling?

    It has nothing to do with sperm counts or the usual things that come to mind when discussing fertility.

    Instead it is being driven by more women in education and work, as well as greater access to contraception, leading to women choosing to have fewer children.

    In many ways, falling fertility rates are a success story.
    Which countries will be most affected?

    Japan's population is projected to fall from a peak of 128 million in 2017 to less than 53 million by the end of the century.

    Italy is expected to see an equally dramatic population crash from 61 million to 28 million over the same timeframe.

    They are two of 23 countries - which also include Spain, Portugal, Thailand and South Korea - expected to see their population more than halve.

    "That is jaw-dropping," Prof Christopher Murray told me.

    China, currently the most populous nation in the world, is expected to peak at 1.4 billion in four years' time before nearly halving to 732 million by 2100. India will take its place.

    The UK is predicted to peak at 75 million in 2063, and fall to 71 million by 2100.

    However, this will be a truly global issue, with 183 out of 195 countries having a fertility rate below the replacement level.
    Why is this a problem?

    You might think this is great for the environment. A smaller population would reduce carbon emissions as well as deforestation for farmland.

    "That would be true except for the inverted age structure (more old people than young people) and all the uniformly negative consequences of an inverted age structure," says Prof Murray.

    The study projects:

    The number of under-fives will fall from 681 million in 2017 to 401 million in 2100.
    The number of over 80-year-olds will soar from 141 million in 2017 to 866 million in 2100.

    Prof Murray adds: "It will create enormous social change. It makes me worried because I have an eight-year-old daughter and I wonder what the world will be like."

    Who pays tax in a massively aged world? Who pays for healthcare for the elderly? Who looks after the elderly? Will people still be able to retire from work?

    "We need a soft landing," argues Prof Murray.

    Are there any solutions?

    Countries, including the UK, have used migration to boost their population and compensate for falling fertility rates.

    However, this stops being the answer once nearly every country's population is shrinking.

    "We will go from the period where it's a choice to open borders, or not, to frank competition for migrants, as there won't be enough," argues Prof Murray.

    Some countries have tried policies such as enhanced maternity and paternity leave, free childcare, financial incentives and extra employment rights, but there is no clear answer.

    Sweden has dragged its fertility rate up from 1.7 to 1.9, but other countries that have put significant effort into tackling the "baby bust" have struggled. Singapore still has a fertility rate of around 1.3.

    Prof Murray says: "I find people laugh it off; they can't imagine it could be true, they think women will just decide to have more kids.

    "If you can't [find a solution] then eventually the species disappears, but that's a few centuries away."

    How do countries fight falling birth rates?

    The researchers warn against undoing the progress on women's education and access to contraception.

    Prof Stein Emil Vollset said: "Responding to population decline is likely to become an overriding policy concern in many nations, but must not compromise efforts to enhance women's reproductive health or progress on women's rights."
    What about Africa?

    The population of sub-Saharan Africa is expected to treble in size to more than three billion people by 2100.

    And the study says Nigeria will become the world's second biggest country, with a population of 791 million.

    Prof Murray says: "We will have many more people of African descent in many more countries as we go through this.

    "Global recognition of the challenges around racism are going to be all the more critical if there are large numbers of people of African descent in many countries."

    Why is 2.1 the fertility rate threshold?

    You might think the number should be 2.0 - two parents have two children, so the population stays the same size.

    But even with the best healthcare, not all children survive to adulthood. Also, babies are ever so slightly more likely to be male. It means the replacement figure is 2.1 in developed countries.

    Nations with higher childhood mortality also need a higher fertility rate.
    What do the experts say?

    Prof Ibrahim Abubakar, University College London (UCL), said: "If these predictions are even half accurate, migration will become a necessity for all nations and not an option.

    "To be successful we need a fundamental rethink of global politics.

    "The distribution of working-age populations will be crucial to whether humanity prospers or withers."
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    Wow, without marriages and families, you'll see the West self-destruct faster than I expected. When people get married, again, there is pressure to be more responsible and generous toward children and communities. Really, families make civilization happen. Now, single people will complain that I don't have help when I am sick or old, but they did not have to make certain sacrifices for their children's upbringing or future. We now need more people to support singles at older aged who partied, spent, and traveled up their wealth? The government can solve some of these social problems like Rome--tax singles heavily for their care-free lifestyle! They have no younger related tax payers to support them.

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    At some point the state is going to step in to prevent a breakdown of society. What will the state do though? Is it going to land on the side of social conservatives and reanimate traditional values? Will it defend the incel solution of state allocated girlfriends? Or a return of patriarchy?

    Some ominous quotes from the articles I posted show you what we're heading for:

    After reciting one tragic statistic after another, the report concludes: “Changing the course of family stability will likely require substantial effort, given the magnitude of the challenge in many American communities today and the pervasiveness of the decline.”
    Prof Stein Emil Vollset said: "Responding to population decline is likely to become an overriding policy concern in many nations, but must not compromise efforts to enhance women's reproductive health or progress on women's rights."
    Prof Murray says: "We will have many more people of African descent in many more countries as we go through this.
    The baby bust will be an excuse for more immigration, more wealth transfers from men to single mothers or women volunteering for single motherhood - and ultimately babies will be harvested from machines, artificial wombs, which will be developed in our life time.

    We'll see more dumb, maladjusted individuals burning down society than ever before, sometimes because the establishment wants it, like with BLM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    At some point the state is going to step in to prevent a breakdown of society. What will the state do though? Is it going to land on the side of social conservatives and reanimate traditional values? Will it defend the incel solution of state allocated girlfriends? Or a return of patriarchy?
    None of those. If Germanic and European people have no babies, they'll simply replace us with Africans, Muslims and other third worlders. Then Europe will no longer be European.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    Will it defend the incel solution of state allocated girlfriends?
    LOL, never gonna happen. Incels in America are on the terrorist group watchlist, the state ain't gonna support them.

    What Winterland says. Single folks should be taxed & white folks should be given financial incentives to have kids. Single folk are gonna be drain on the economy when they become old farts, they'll have no kids to take care of them. And since folks don't live too healthy either, they're all gonna need healthcare. This what we want, some gerontocracy? At least white single moms contribute to the genepool. Plus if whites don't breed we're gonna be replaced by the muds, like Bärin says. Our nations are gonna be a mix of coffee colored folk & the only whites left around are gonna be centenarians.

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    I was married for 16 years, with two children resulting. I made many mistakes along the way, but gave it my all trying to be a good husband and father until the end. It was to no avail. The wrongs and harm done me by what became a very selfish,oath-breaking, no-integrity ex-wife have left me personally very jaded and reluctant about the idea of another serious relationship, much less marriage, indefinitely. It's easy for me to understand some of the trends in the articles above.
    Marriage was, and is not a conditional temporary arrangement predicated on merely "muh feelings and happiness" to me. I took my vows very seriously, in their entirety.
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