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    Which form of government is most Germanic?

    A) Kingdom
    B) Republic
    C) Empire

    If two or all three are more or equally so, what examples do you believe to be the best ones? Please, no off-topic rants vilifying all of them and insisting on alternatives not written here. Just pick between them and explain.

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    C is not even a form of government, not in the same way the other two are. If you want to restrict people to only three options, actually give them three options at least.
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    If you are talking about the past, I would say a Monarchy. All of the small kingdoms and fiefdoms in Germany was the start of German Government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    C is not even a form of government, not in the same way the other two are. If you want to restrict people to only three options, actually give them three options at least.
    Are you referring to the Carolingian-Ottonian or Byzantine imperial models for your answer? At least church and state power dynamics are flipped between them, with Byzantine Emperors continuing to exercise Pontifex Maximus authority and thus subordination of Patriarchs in Orthodoxy (Estate model: 2, 1, 3), whereas Carolingians and Ottonians forfeited their traditional roles of hosting rituals and festivals--both Germanic and Italic rulers had this undisputed right with Paganism--to subordinate their authority to the Pope in Catholicism (Estate model: 1, 2, 3).

    While Francia and the HRE followed the Catholic arrangement of church rule since Christianization, the Orthodox arrangement preserved the Heathen tradition of state rule. The Bonapartes continued with seeking Papal legitimacy, but Hohenzollern Prussia and Germany likely followed the Romanovs in having the United Church submit to them as with Russian Orthodoxy. I'm unsure about how the Habsburg-Lorraine dynasty operated in Austria-Hungary with respect to the Vatican. I do know that the Church of India was an organ of state during the British Raj, but it wasn't exactly established as official.

    I also don't know what arrangements were made by Italy and Ethiopia or Portugal and Brazil, but they're hardly likely to have strayed from the French tradition, despite their double monarchies in common with Germanic realms. Anyway, the Penguin Historical Atlas of the Medieval World shows how at least Germanic feudalism (peasants provide tithe on produce or unpaid labour to barons, who provide military obligations to kings)--it doesn't say whether Tarquin's dynasty ruled that way--was run distinctly different from the Roman model (citizens taxed by emperors to pay for civil administration and military)--once again, nothing about the manner of Karl or Otto.

    Republican government is not something I'm familiar with as a Germanic tradition, except that kings weren't usually elected in peacetime before the Völkerwanderung--not that military rule by fœderati tribal kings and the feudal aristocracy could be considered peaceful; Iceland, Switzerland, Holland and America all seemingly atypical for governance until the end of WWI, but supposedly ideal in the same way as Roman enthusiasts idolise the Senate and Triumvirates. I suppose, because of the Christian Byzantine continuation or reinvention of Pagan Rome, Democracy can be invoked for comparative reasoning, but hardly any modern, revisionist systems, at least for the purposes of this thread. Please, lol.

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    National Socialism, with the monarchy preserved, is the only valid form of government. The only form of government which is not a tyranny is a homogeneous society maintained by irrevocable mandate.
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    I specifically requested no modern systems, because this thread contends between ancient and medieval forms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    Are you referring to the Carolingian-Ottonian or Byzantine imperial models for your answer?[...]
    No, I'm referring to the fact, that "empire" as a term is on the same level as federation, union etc. It doesn't specify the form of government the same way democracy or monarchy does.
    Historically, most empires were monarchies in one way or another but there were "democratic" empires like that of Athens or Rome (which was still formally/nominally a Republic for much of its existence even after Augustus).

    If you're looking for an alternative third term, I propose oligarchy, rule of the few.
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    This thread is about Germanic equivalent debate on the three forms of Roman government; whatever form or fashion in which Germanic establishments have gone through the same types of rule as Rome and whichever one is most ideal or befitting Germanic folks, in whosever's opinions are given and why.

    I only mentioned democracy in passing because of the Byzantine dual heritage including Greece, but am really hoping that this thread doesn't devolve into a set of butthurt rants about modern political models and Cold War ideological triumphalism regarding the two world wars.

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