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    This is interesting. Remember that military raid in Germany a little while back?
    Thats where this data came from. Apparently Trump won with 410 electoral votes.

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    “In the ongoing US presidential election, an almost-dead candidate and his charming assistant have been voted for by an army of the undead: voters that have mailed in their ballots in spite of being deceased. I have spot-checked a bit of the incriminating evidence myself, and I am pretty sure that there were over 11,000 such voters in a single Michigan county alone. But this is by no means a local scam: among many other vote-counting shenanigans, it appears that there was a nationwide effort to order mail-in ballots for dead people, fill them out for Biden, and mail them in.”


    “In any case, dead voters for Biden turn out to be just the tip of an entire iceberg of election fraud. There are also the over 1.8 million nonexistent yet registered voters discovered by Judicial Watch back in September. Add to that the faulty voting system, creepily named “Dominion,” which miscounted votes to favor Biden. Add to that the undeservedly kid-gloved and fawning press coverage afforded to Biden and the US mass media’s overwhelmingly hostile attitude toward Trump. Add to that the fraudulent poll data which, just as prior to the 2016 election, was contrived to make a fraudulent Biden victory seem plausible. Add to that the amply funded organizations such as BLM and Antifa (in which the “Anti-” prefix is gratuitous, this organization in fact being very much “Fa…”) which have been ordered to protest, loot and riot in many major US cities, moving their mercenaries from location to location, where they then recruit useful idiots among the locals. What this adds up to is a vast, brazen, carelessly self-incriminating conspiracy to overthrow a sitting president through election fraud.”




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    California: 2 Charged with Voter Fraud, Allegedly Submitted Thousands of Registrations on Behalf of Homeless

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    President Trump has the burden to find the evidence for election fraud. I'm not sure if he can find enough "illegal votes" before Jan. 20th. He also has to check for multiple voters, software "glitches," and incorrect signatures. I'm positive they'll find some wrongful votes, but the numbers will have to be fairly high in some States to flip the results. Also, they had a decline in white male voters too, which did not help. Overall, it is hard to believe that President Trump lost like 5 States suddenly to Biden at the end of tallying votes. You think the Democrats would be smarter to "rig the election" more believable, lol. Between the anti-Trumpism and negative press, this was why conservative voters believe the election results may have been manipulated, but evidence has to be there. Trump may have really lost the election for these reasons: the press damned him from the beginning, he did not crack down on the riots, there was an increase in minority population, there was Covid and shut-downs, and he did not add much to the preexisting wall. Hungary did a better job using prisoners and military personnel BECAUSE our open-borders US government never wanted a wall!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterland View Post
    President Trump has the burden to find the evidence for election fraud. I'm not sure if he can find enough "illegal votes" before Jan. 20th. He also has to check for multiple voters, software "glitches," and incorrect signatures. I'm positive they'll find some wrongful votes, but the numbers will have to be fairly high in some States to flip the results. Also, they had a decline in white male voters too, which did not help. Overall, it is hard to believe that President Trump lost like 5 States suddenly to Biden at the end of tallying votes. You think the Democrats would be smarter to "rig the election" more believable, lol. Between the anti-Trumpism and negative press, this was why conservative voters believe the election results may have been manipulated, but evidence has to be there. Trump may have really lost the election for these reasons: the press damned him from the beginning, he did not crack down on the riots, there was an increase in minority population, there was Covid and shut-downs, and he did not add much to the preexisting wall. Hungary did a better job using prisoners and military personnel BECAUSE our open-borders US government never wanted a wall!
    Actually for an election to be valid, the Material used to determine that a party/candidate was indeed elected must be shown to be reliable and authentic.

    But in real life those matters will be handled differently, some commission will decide that it's reasonably authentic and that XYZ is now the President. The burden of prove is then shifted towards those challenging the authenticity. Since rigging can come in on so many levels, this is rather easy. There must of course be a hostile climate among those counting towards the real winner. That makes it also more difficult to prove that rigging, manipulation occurred.

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    If election procedures and counting equipment CAN BE manipulated than it's sufficient to dismiss elections results. So that's what has to be proven first. Of course they'll try to play this down as well. And hence it will be a hick-hack game for a while. Mind you that judges can make relatively arbitrary decisions on this.... And they won't be neutral neither. Even if they got more sympathy for your side or can clearly see that fraud or lack of integrity of process is actually proven... they may still be concerned about their future (and by extension the safety of their families). So it's an open gamble to challenge the election results.

    I think it got merits to prepare for the "loose" scenario here, so one can focus on opposing the Biden/Harris administration. This will be especially advantageous, if the election was apparently fraudulent, while a Biden-win is still granted. With that lack of legitimacy their will be more resistance. Leftists will be more aggressive as well and they will appear more pushy to people, which may actually be pushed the other way round.

    Also the SHTV sooner or later and that better happens under a DEM administration anyway, leftists will still blame shift, but this will be more difficult, if one of their own was/is in the White house.

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    My "queen" is not a mongrel ungratefully attacking the nation that irrationally placed her above its own people. I hate this cultural sewer. Echoing the same mindless lies as the rest of the MSM and Hollyweird is not the brave stand these freaks think it is.

    https://www.elle.com/culture/celebri...isinformation/

    In October, Selena Gomez wrote an open letter to Google and its CEO, Sundar Pichai, asking the company to remove ads that spread disinformation about the U.S. presidential election and U.S. voting. She said the following:Hi Sundar,
    Although we have never met, I just learned that Google is making millions of dollars putting ads on websites that spread disinformation about our election.
    I’m hoping you are also just finding this out too.
    Please shut this down immediately. The fate of our country depends on it.
    Thanks,
    Selena

    Following Joe Biden's win and disinformation going viral across the internet about the legitimacy of his victory, Gomez has doubled down on her efforts to call out the tech giant. After Unicef announced that it was removing its ads from websites promoting election disinformation, Gomez congratulated the company for their decision.
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    "Thank you, @Unicefusa, for doing this!," she wrote on Friday. "We need more organizations to do this too. @googleads needs to stop the spread of hate and misinformation."
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    And she got a response: "Thank you for reaching out about this, Selena," the company replied. "We agree that there is no place for hate or election misinfo when our platforms are used to run ads and we appreciate anytime potential violations are flagged to us. We have long standing policies to remove ads from articles inciting hate or violence or those that promote demonstrably false claims that could significantly undermine participation or trust in elections. When content violates our policies, we take action, including removing ads from the violating pages and in pervasive situations the sites. When advertisers want to go beyond our policies, we give them tools, like the ones UNICEF used, to ensure that they are in control over their ads running against content that is not suitable for their brand. We allow them to exclude specific websites (http://goo.gle/3pqPC5o) as well as entire topics (http://goo.gle/2Uwiz1j). And we aim to make this process as seamless as possible. See more here → http://goo.gle/2IzxdCL."
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    Bless our queen Selena for doing what we all should do as we fight the big bad internet.

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    A nation is an organic thing, historically defined.
    A wave of passionate energy which unites past, present and future generations

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    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/republ...mp-to-concede/
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    From these graphs we can deduce that something like 10% of Republicans and independents doubt the election was on the up-and-up but want Trump to concede anyway. “For the good of the country”, it is common to hear these Washington Generals say.

    This national split exists despite a full court press from all the approved sources of information and entertainment to treat the election results as final and Trump’s refusal to concede as dangerously dictatorial. Half the country is impervious to the mendacity–and the veracity–of the corporate media. It is incorrect to say the media has no influence. That suggests indifference. Instead, the media’s influence is negative. If the media reports it, half the country assumes the opposite to be true.

    It’s really something to see the people who spent the last four years denying the integrity of the 2016 election decrying the other half of the country for refusing to accept the integrity of this one. Reaping what is sown, chickens coming home to roost, taking something and then paying for it–the aphorisms are unending. The US as it is currently constituted, however, is not unending.
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