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Thread: 2020 POTUS Election: Trump v Biden ("The Steal")

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    Meghan McCain Calls GOP Trump Supporters ‘Sausage Fest’, Warns of Consequences if Liz Cheney Removed


    Republicans will reportedly be deciding on ousting Cheney from the post, with the second such vote this year scheduled to take place on 12 May.




    Meghan McCain went on a rant on “The View”, slamming Republicans for “shivving” the No. 3 House Republican Liz Cheney after reports that she might lose her post as the head of one of the most powerful GOP bodies within a month amid her fierce criticism of the former US president, Donald Trump.


    “They're shivving her for her going on television multiple times and saying that the election wasn't stolen, and for refusing to debase herself to Cheeto Jesus,” McCain said.

    McCain claimed that the Republicans are trying to “bloodlet the party from women like me, college-educated women that lost you the election in the first place”, calling it “a cacophony of asinine politics”.


    She also said that “women like me and Liz Cheney who refuse to bend the knee to President Trump but still remain loyal Republicans, we don't have a place in this party, we are worthless, we are not worth fighting for to keep”.

    McCain called Trump supporters within the Republican Party a “sausage fest of MAGA up on Capitol Hill” and warned that “one way or another there's going to be consequences” if Liz Cheney is ousted over refusing to 'bend the knee' to President Trump.



    Earlier this week House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy was reportedly recorded on tape saying that “[Cheney’s] got real problems”.
    "I've had it with her. You know, I've lost confidence.” McCarthy was recorded off air before an interview on a tape reviewed by Axios. “Well, someone just has to bring a motion, but I assume that will probably take place," he said.


    The chair of the House Republican Conference aside from a variety of congressional procedures is responsible for voicing the House Republican message to the American public.


    “There's no concern about how she voted on impeachment. That decision has been made,” McCarthy said. “We all need to be working as one if we're able to win the majority. Remember, majorities are not given; they are earned. And that's about the message about going forward."




    Never-Trump Republican Cheney Says Former President Has No Place in Party’s Future


    After the 6 January "Stop the Steal" rally in Washington in his support morphed into a riot, with dozens breaking into the Capitol building, leaving several dead, Trump was accused of "inciting an insurrection" and impeached by the US House of Representatives, with Liz Cheney being one of 10 Republicans who voted to impeach Trump.


    He was later acquitted by the US Senate. The 45th US president, who called on supporters to oppose Joe Biden's nomination "peacefully" during the rally, denied any responsibility for the protests, saying that what he said had been "totally appropriate".


    Cheney wrote in an op-ed for the Washington Post on Wednesday that the Republican party should “steer away from the dangerous and anti-democratic Trump cult of personality” and that the GOP is at a "turning point" and must decide "whether we will join Trump’s crusade to de-legitimise and undo the legal outcome of the 2020 election, with all the consequences that might have".




    Meghan McCain Calls GOP Trump Supporters ‘Sausage Fest ...07 V 2021.




    Dick Cheney and John McCain were much responsible for the decline of the Republican Party. These 'gangsters'' close rank when anyone exposes them. They are good at fighting back and defending each other too.



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    American Politics Now Has Two Big Racial Divides



    Perry Bacon, FiveThirtyEight, May 3, 2021

    American voters …
    • Remain deeply polarized based on ethnicity and racial identity;
    • Were less polarized by racial identity in 2020 compared to 2016; and
    • Are very polarized by attitudes about racial and cultural issues.


    Since American presidential elections are so close, fairly small shifts in the electorate really matter in affecting who wins. But I worry that the media’s understandable emphasis on those shifts often overshadows longstanding patterns in American politics that include the overwhelming majority of voters, who aren’t swinging between the two parties. Despite the news coverage that sometimes implies that non-Hispanic white voters with college degrees are all flocking to the Democrats, about 42 percent of that group backed Trump in 2020, according to the recently released Cooperative Election Study. About 64 percent of Hispanic Americans backed Biden, per CES, which might be hard to remember amid the intense (and accurate) coverage of Trump’s gains among that voting bloc.

    In many ways, the 2020 election was basically like every recent American presidential election: The Republican candidate won the white vote (54 percent to 44 percent, per CES), and the Democratic candidate won the overwhelming majority of the Black (90 percent to 8 percent), Asian American (66 percent to 31 percent) and Hispanic (64 percent to 33 percent) vote. Like in 2016, there was a huge difference among non-Hispanic white voters by education, as those with at least a four-year college degree favored Biden (55 percent to 42 percent), while those without degrees (63 to 35) favored Trump.

    So the main reason that Trump nearly won a second term was not his increased support among Latinos, who are only about 10 percent of American voters and are a group he lost by more than 20 points. Trump’s main strength was his huge advantage among non-Hispanic white voters without college degrees, who are about 42 percent of American voters. His second biggest bloc of support was among non-Hispanic white Americans with degrees, who are about 30 percent of all voters. According to the CES, over 80 percent of Trump’s voters were non-Hispanic white voters, with or without a college degree. In contrast, around 70 percent of nonwhite voters supported Biden, and they made up close to 40 percent of his supporters. {snip}

    Trump did 7 percentage points better among Asian American voters in 2020 compared to 2016, 4 points better among Hispanic voters and 1 point better among both white and Black voters.

    At first glance, it might seem surprising that Trump gained among voters of color, since he often demonized Asian Americans, Black Americans and Latinos and invoked racist tropes.

    But the data and research in the wake of the 2020 election suggests that many voters of color who backed Trump either already held GOP views on some racial issues or adopted those views to align with their decision to back Trump. So their views on racial issues are often closer to those of white Republicans than people of color who are Democrats. Meanwhile, white Democrats tend to have racial views much closer to people of color who are Democrats than white Republicans. When you put those two things together (white Democrats getting more racially liberal and many people of color who are Republicans not being liberal on racial issues), the results are that Republicans and Democrats are very divided about views on racial issues, even as they are becoming less divided in terms of racial identity (more white people are Democrats, more people of color are Republicans).

    For example, around 15 percent of Black adults and 38 percent of Latino adults either said they opposed the Black Lives Matter movement or were non-committal about it (they didn’t support or oppose it), according to polling conducted by Civiqs around last November’s election. That’s fairly similar to the percentage of those groups that voted for Trump in 2020. Furthermore, about half of Black adults who said they opposed Black Lives Matters’s goals backed Trump in 2020, while only 7 percent of Black adults who agreed with the goals of Black Lives Matters backed Trump, according to polling from PRRI. Seventy-three percent of Latino voters who opposed Black Lives Matters’s goals backed Trump, similar to the 83 percent of white voters who opposed Black Lives Matters’s goals.

    In contrast, to be a Democrat is basically to support the Black Lives Matter movement, even if you are not Black. About 88 percent of white Democrats said they supported Black Lives Matter last November, similar to the number of Black (90 percent) and Hispanic Democrats (85 percent) who expressed the same sentiment.

    Similarly, among voters of color who backed Trump, 54 percent said they had never heard Trump do or say anything that could be considered racist, according to a post-election survey from PerryUndem. That puts those voters closer to white men who backed Trump (74 percent of whom said that he didn’t say racist things) than white Biden voters, 93 percent of whom indicated that Trump had said racist things. About 21 percent of Hispanic Republicans said that white people in America face a lot of discrimination, according to a recent Pew Research Center poll. That’s similar to the number of white Republicans who have that view (28 percent) and much higher than the share of white Democrats (4 percent) or Hispanic Democrats (6 percent) who said that white Americans face a lot of discrimation. Most Latino and Asian American voters who strongly disagreed with the idea that Black Americans are particularly disadvantaged because of slavery and racial discrimination supported Trump, like white voters who held that view.

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    Liz Cheney ousted from GOP leadership role, Trump blasts her as ‘bitter, horrible human being’


    Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) has been booted from her position as chair of the House Republican Conference following a vote by Republicans who were increasingly unhappy with her vocal opposition to former president Donald Trump.





    U.S. Representative Liz Cheney leaves after a House vote at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, U.S., May 11, 2021.




    Cheney, the daughter of former vice president Dick Cheney and a staunch neoconservative, repeatedly found herself at odds with her party colleagues over Trump and his administration’s policies.



    A majority of House Republicans voted to oust Cheney from her position – which she had held since January 2019 – on Wednesday after a previous attempt in February failed.


    “If you want leaders who will enable and spread his destructive lies, I’m not your person,” she said during the closed-door vote, NBC reported. “You have plenty of others to choose from. That will be their legacy.”


    Cheney angered many Republicans after supporting the second impeachment effort against Trump following the January 6 storming of the Capitol by a group of his supporters. She further outraged Trump-loyal colleagues after rejecting his claims that the presidential election had been rigged against him, prompting the vote to oust her from leadership.


    In a
    speech on the House floor on Tuesday, Cheney called on her colleagues to “speak the truth,” adding, “Our election was not stolen and America has not failed.”
    “I will not sit back and watch in silence while others lead our party down a path that abandons the rule of law and joins the former president’s crusade to undermine our democracy,” she declared.




    Cheney lost the vote on Wednesday because she has not been “whipping her colleagues to stay in her position” like she did before the February vote, CNN
    reported. Instead, she has apparently “been looking beyond her expulsion from House GOP leadership” by “enlisting the help from alumni of the Bush administration.”




    Trump immediately
    celebrated the ousting of Cheney in his own caustic statement, calling the congresswoman a “bitter, horrible human being,” a “poor leader,” a “warmonger,” and “a person with absolutely no personality or heart.”
    “I watched her yesterday and realized how bad she is for the Republican Party,”
    wrote Trump. “She is a talking point for Democrats, whether that means the border, the gas lines, inflation, or destroying our economy.”
    “I look forward to soon watching her as a paid contributor on CNN or MSDNC!” he concluded.




    Deep state operative.


    Liz is just like many politicians who simply do not listen to those they represent....... The current mantra is .............'I know best as I have been in politics since '1776' ...I KNOW what I am talking about' That... together with 'I have to represent those sponsoring me and paying for my services who are not the voters....' This.... has made most politicians career politicians instead of representing those that have put them there.



    In days gone by , these scoundrels would have been hung high by the towns people. Time to revive the philosophy of the wild west. Too many outlaws are terrorizing the people.


    Liz Cheney ousted from GOP leadership role, Trump blasts her as ‘bitter, horrible human being’
    12 V 2021.




    Liz Cheney belongs in the Democratic Party where she’ll not be noticed nor wanted.



  5. #275

    If No Election Fraud Why Are Democrats Desperate to Block Maricopa County, Arizona Audit?


    Arizona Democrats have refused to comply with court orders and have declared an audit “racist.”



    The criminal gang that masquerades as the US Dept of Justice has declared the election audit “voter intimidtion” as the DOJ attempts to intimidate Republicans to cease the audit. https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/gop-chair-elise-stefanik-justice-department-is-trying-to-block-maricopa-county-audit_3817473.html?utm_source=Morningbri ef&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-05-17&mktids=099d101a6305b3625c83b169b1fd08 9a&est=Wk7f9aOTamkQQYovPsQ7e0K59e9qkxefA NnaS30L81tnWqAosaiyIQ%3D%3D



    Obviously, there was massive electoral fraud. If not, why the extraordinary effort to block the audit? If there was no election fraud, the Democrats would welcome an audit to prove their case.



    What will Republicans, assuming the DOJ doesn’t scare them off, do with the evidence of election theft? Chances are high they will cover it up. Why? Here are several reasons:
    Republicans are largely from the business and corporate community. They don’t know how to fight. They learned that you get to the top by not making waves.



    Republicans are patriotic and are concerned to protect America’s reputation. Many will argue that to reveal the fraud will undermine America’s reputation and democracy and that the Chinese and Russians will use the fraud for propaganda against America. Suppressing the evidence of fraud is necessary to protect America’s influence.



    Revealing the fraud will undermine the Biden administration and cause a political crisis. It will be clear that America has suffered a coup. To overturn the coup would split the country. The Biden military might intervene in Biden’s behalf, thus legitimizing the coup and ending the authority of law and the Constitution.



    Many Republicans will argue that it is best to make a deal with the Democrats. Show them the evidence and tell them that it won’t be revealed if the Democrats will stop blocking electoral reforms such as voter ID and removing dead and out of state people from the voting rolls. Republicans will argue that this is the best outcome. It will preserve America’s reputation and prevent another stolen election.



    Establishment Republicans will like this outcome because they are opposed to Trump and oppose anything that would vindicate him.



    No doubt the evidence of a stolen election would be leaked, but the presstitutes would never report it and no one would ever know.



    In view of the fact that very little is likely to result from conclusive evidence of election theft, the fierce opposition of Democrats and presstitutes to the audit is conclusive proof in itself that the election was stolen.




    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2021/05/17/if-no-election-fraud-why-are-democrats-desperate-to-block-maricopa-county-arizona-audit/ 18 V 2021.



    China Joe was installed like Russia's Joe and the World knows it.

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    I'm registered to vote in Maricopa County. Last November I wanted to browse the results by precinct and it was impossible! Instead of being able to browse results by precinct I had to download a file containing the entire county. Every time I tried my laptop crashed. What precincts I could see had the same numbers. The only info you could get from the county was the results for individual races but with no idea where the votes came from.

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    Ex-Trump Lawyer Giuliani Suspended From Practicing Law in NY Over 'False Statements' on 2020 Vote

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    The 77-year-old attorney and former New York City Mayor was central to Donald Trump's probe into suspected pay-to-play politics by Joe Biden in Ukraine during the Obama years, which itself sparked impeachment proceedings against Trump. In late 2020, the lawyer represented Trump in lawsuits to overturn the election over alleged fraud.

    New York State suspended Rudy Giuliani's licence to practice law on Thursday over the "false statements" he allegedly made in his capacity as President Trump's lawyer in the aftermath of the 2020 presidential election.

    "For reasons that follow, we conclude that there is uncontroverted evidence that [Giuliani] communicated demonstrably false and misleading statements to courts, lawmakers and the public at large in his capacity as lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump and the Trump campaign in connection with Trump's failed effort at reelection in 2020," the New York Supreme Court said in a 33-page decision put out on Thursday morning."

    "These false statements were made to improperly bolster [the] respondent's narrative that due to widespread voter fraud, victory in the 2020 United States presidential election was stolen from his client. We conclude that [the] respondent's conduct immediately threatens the public interest and warrants interim suspension from the practice of law, pending further proceedings before the Attorney Grievance Committee," the statement added.

    The court went on to list Giuliani's alleged improper activities, including his comments on the election at press conferences, legislative hearings, media appearances, and one court appearance.

    "Giuliani is said to have defended himself by suggesting that the AGC's probe violated his First Amendment right to free speech. The court indicated that it "rejects" this argument, however, citing a legal precedent which recognises that "speech by an attorney is subject to greater regulation by speech by others."

    The decision went on to list off the attorney's misconduct, including his comments after 3 November about a host of alleged problems with the election, including possible mail-in ballot vote dumps, voting machine irregularities, and other suspected manipulations in then-Democratic candidate Joe Biden's favour in key battleground states including Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona.

    Last month, New York Judge J. Paul Oetken ordered the appointment of a "special master" to review evidence seized from Giuliani's home and office in an FBI raid in April after the attorney complained that some of the materials may be subject to attorney-client privilege. Giuliani has been accused (but not yet charged) with the violation of US foreign lobbying laws by failing to notify authorities that he represented the interests of Ukrainian officials. The former New York mayor denies that he did anything wrong, and has expressed his frustration over the FBI's apparent lack of interest in Hunter Biden's laptop amid claims that the president's son engaged in improper and potentially illegal activity to lobby a Ukrainian gas company's interests with his father Joe Biden during the Obama presidency.

    The Biden-Ukraine allegations and Trump's claims about systemic fraud in the 2020 election were central to Democratic lawmakers' impeachment proceedings against him in 2019 and early 2021. In the first impeachment, Trump was accused of using his office to dig up dirt on a potential rival. In the second, he was charged with inciting the 6 January riots at the Capitol. The Senate threw out the impeachment charges on both occasions, frustrating Democrats' efforts to have Trump permanently banned from politics.

    No charges have been filed against the Biden family over their alleged illegal activities in Ukraine.

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    Most of these RINO characters like Megan McCain, Romney, Cheney and the many many Cucks who make up the core of the GOP are despicable people but Trump isn't the solution either. It's like Ann Coulter once said, what's needed was Trumpism without Trump.

    His picks for top posts were almost universally awful. One could argue that many of those choices were forced on him and he had to rubberstamp them, but nevertheless one was left with the impression that he didn't really understand (or pretended not to) the first thing about slime like Mike Pence, Gen Mattis, John Bolton and so many other really despicable characters that infested his administration. Bill Barr was an obvious watchdog running interference for the GOP/Democrat Uniparty Swamp. The Durham "investigation" is a textbook case study in how to conduct an investigation where the intention is to not conduct an investigation.

    Accusations against him of nepotism were not unfair either. He involved his family, especially his Democrat ideology daughter and son-in-law (these people are certainly not "Conservative Republicans") in State Affairs. Why? What value and insight did they bring to the table?

    The election itself was obviously rigged. The mistake many people make is to fixate on the Democrat Party and to hold them responsible for turning the US Electoral Process into something that resembles elections in Zimbabwe or a South American banana republic. It's much worse than these people realize. The election wasn't rigged solely by the Democrats, it was rigged by a consortium of Republicans, Democrats, Courts and of course the Security Establishment including the FBI and CIA. These characters are all invested in the Swamp, and they all wanted Trump gone because he's bad for (their) dirty business.
    ~ **** Democracy! It's 2 wolves and 1 sheep deciding what's for dinner.

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