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    Post New DNA Study: We are not Celts

    We are not Celts at all but Galicians

    BRIAN DONNELLY September 10 2004

    CELTIC nations such as Scotland and Ireland have more in common with the Portuguese and Spanish than with the Celts of central Europe, according to a new academic report.
    Historians have long believed that the British Isles were swamped by a massive invasion of Iron Age Celts from central Europe around 500BC.
    However, geneticists at Trinity College in Dublin now claim that the Scots and Irish have more in common with the people of north-western Spain.
    Dr Daniel Bradley, genetics lecturer at Trinity College, said a new study into Celtic origins revealed close affinities with the people of Galicia.
    He said: "It's well-known that there are cultural relations between the areas but now this shows there is much more. We think the links are much older than that of the Iron Age because it also shows affinities with the Basque region, which isn't a Celtic region."
    He added: "The links point towards other Celtic nations, in particular Scotland, but they also point to Spain."
    Historians believed the Celts, originally Indo-European, invaded the Atlantic islands in a massive migration 2500 years ago.
    But using DNA samples from people living in Celtic nations and other parts of Europe, geneticists at the university have drawn new parallels.
    Dr Bradley said it was possible migrants moved from the Iberian peninsula to Ireland as far back as 6000 years ago up until 3000 years ago.
    "I don't agree with the idea of a massive Iron Age invasion that took over the Atlantic islands. You can regard the ocean, rather than a barrier, as a communication route," Dr Bradley said.
    Archaeologists have also been questioning the links between the Celts of eastern France and southern Germany and the people of the British Isles and the new research appears to prove their theories.
    The Dublin study found that people in areas traditionally known as Celtic, such as Ireland, Wales, Scotland, Brittany and Cornwall, had strong links with each other and had more in common with people from the Iberian peninsula.
    It also found people in Ireland have more in common with Scots than any other nation.
    "What we would propose is that this commonality among the Atlantic facade is much older, 6000 years ago or earlier," Dr Bradley added.
    There are also close links between Scotland and Ireland dating back much further than the plantations of the 1600s when many Scots moved to Northern Ireland in search of fertile farming lands, the research showed.
    However, the researchers could not determine whether fair skin, freckles, red hair and fiery tempers truly are Celtic traits.
    Stephen Oppenheimer, professor of clinical socio-medical sciences at Oxford, said that the Celts of western Scotland, Wales, Ireland and Cornwall were descended from an ancient people living on the Atlantic coast when Britain was still attached to mainland Europe, while the English were more closely related to the Germanic peoples of the interior.
    He said: "The English are the odd ones out because they are the ones more linked to continental Europe. The Scots, the Irish, the Welsh and the Cornish are all very similar in their genetic pattern to the Basque."
    The study headed by Dr Bradley was published in the American Journal of Human Genetics.

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    I agree with this theory, but only to a degree. People who live in the Celtic- and formerly Celtic speaking regions of the British Isles, as well as Central Europeans from areas settled by the Celts in ancient times, vary considerably from place to place. This is due to the fact that wherever Celts settled in Europe they found and mixed with other races who were already there. The first Celts were likely either Danubian or Battle-ax in racial type, and then Hallstatt Nordic, after these two races mixed with each other somewhere in central or eastern Europe. The area in which this mixture took place was probably not very large, and as they spead from this area to the north, south and west they encountered all kinds of other races (Alpine, Bell-Beaker, Med, probably other Battle-ax people and Danubians, etc.). They mixed with these various types, and in some areas of central Europe a distinct type arose which many taxonomists call the Keltic Nordic subtype. This type was predominantly Hallstatt Nordic, but with a large admixture of Apine and Bell-Beaker, and lesser mixture of Med, Berid, etc. This type became dominant in some parts of the Rhineland, the southern Netherlands, Belgium and northern France, especially in the river valley areas. In the more mountainous regions, the non-Nordic types were more dominant. Coon believed that there were some Borreby and Battle-Ax elements involved in the formation of the Keltic type, and that may be true, especially in the regions mentioned above. However, that was probably not true for the Keltic Nordics of Switzerland and Austria noted by McCulloch. As a portion of these Kelts moved into the British Isles, they encountered a significant number of people already there, and these people belonged to several Mediterranean subtypes, including the taller Atlanto-Meditteranean type, as well as some pre-Meditteranean brunette types. They also found in some parts of northern England and Scotland small pockets of Zoned-Beaker peoples (Borreby + Battleax + Bell-Beaker) who had come from the Netherlands and/or western Germany through the Netherlands. As they pushed into Ireland, especially in the western part, these Celts came into contact with large-headed, heavy-set Brunn-like types and mixed with them too. You can see then, that the term "Celt" or "Keltic", when used as an ethnological term, refers to a people who are as varied as the Slavs or Germanics. When used as a racial term, it generally refers to a Nordic subtype to which a number of the early central European Celts belonged, and this type is to some extent preserved today in certain areas of southwest Germany, northern Switzerland, southern and central Netherlands, and here and there in Belgium and northern France. It also occurs frequently in western England, Wales, southwest Scotland and eastern Ireland, both in a relatively unaltered form, as well as strongly mixed with both pre-Celtic and post-Celtic (Germanic) elements.

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