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    David Duke on Stormfront Tonight

    An email from SF:

    The Stormfront White Nationalist Community continues to grow, with many
    members who've joined us through the Net now becoming real world
    activists in their communities.

    We've also seen many of our members joining each other in real world
    conferences to plan strategies, notably the EURO / David Duke Homecoming
    in New Orleans over the Memorial Day weekend. Photos and audio of the
    speeches can be found at www.davidduke.com/conference/.

    Now, long-time White rights activist Rep. David Duke is joining us
    online every Sunday night at 10pm Eastern Time, for a live townhall meeting
    to answer your questions. Come visit tonight and every Sunday night
    here: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=141878

    I'll look forward to seeing you there!

    Regards,

    Don Black
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    Who is an Aryan

    David Duke on "who is white/Aryan?" -

    I think it is good to address the "Who is an Aryan" question.

    I believe in a Pan-Europeanism, that is I consider all people of European descent to be my folk and brethren. Whether one is Nordic, Mediterranean or Alpine, English or German, Scandinavian or Italian, Russian or Spanish, to me he is white, and if he is racially conscious and dedicated, he crosses the threshold to Aryan, which to me is a mystical term from our ancient past meaning the noble ones of our people.

    In reading a recent book by a Jewish author called The Jewish Threat, I found it interesting how during the 1930s even though our people recognized the Jewish Threat, they spent counterproductive efforts against certain European groups. This policy is wrong and hurtful to our cause and one that the Jewish supremacists would love to promote in their divide-and-conquer tactics.

    Although we believe that every European group has the right to maintain their heritage, culture, language customs, etc (and sovereignty) we must now unite together to face a common enemy that wants to exterminate all of us from the face of the earth!

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...&postcount=358

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    IMO David Duke is pretty far from the opinions advocated here at the Northern European forum. I wonder what Madison Grant would have to say about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeTheButcher
    IMO David Duke is pretty far from the opinions advocated here at the Northern European forum. I wonder what Madison Grant would have to say about this.
    "every European group has the right to maintain their heritage, culture, language customs, etc (and sovereignty)"

    That's what we believe too. He may feel it's okay for Swedes to mix with Sicilians tho, while we don't, so in that way we do differ.

    Can we expect anything different? He is afterall a politician and must appeal to as many people as he can.

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    My point is that David Duke's political views reflect his location and the social situation there, specifically, the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeTheButcher
    My point is that David Duke's political views reflect his location and the social situation there, specifically, the United States.
    If that were true he'd be pro-diversity and pro-immigration. Politically he MUST appeal to as many whites as possible. I don't blame him for that.

    TNP is not primarily a political movement.

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    You seem to be misinterpreting my argument. My point is that since David Duke is an American White Nationalist he approaches separatism from an American perspective (with its emphasis upon 'whiteness'). Leaving aside nonwhites for the moment, America is composed of virtually all European subraces (and they have mixed to a considerable degree). Simply put, America is not Denmark and never will be and this factors in to the American racialist movement. So David Duke has adopted a pan-European approach, I would argue, in part because of the racial composition of the white American population. He sees subracialism as being too divisive, thus he notes "whether one is Nordic, Mediterranean or Alpine, English or German, Scandinavian or Italian, Russian or Spanish, to me he is white." I sincerely doubt David Duke would be in favour of busting up any post-American white separatist state along subracial, much less national, lines as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeTheButcher
    You seem to be misinterpreting my argument. My point is that since David Duke is an American White Nationalist he approaches separatism from an American perspective (with its emphasis upon 'whiteness'). Leaving aside nonwhites for the moment, America is composed of virtually all European subraces (and they have mixed to a considerable degree). Simply put, America is not Denmark and never will be and this factors in to the American racialist movement. So David Duke has adopted a pan-European approach, I would argue, in part because of the racial composition of the white American population. He sees subracialism as being too divisive, thus he notes "whether one is Nordic, Mediterranean or Alpine, English or German, Scandinavian or Italian, Russian or Spanish, to me he is white." I sincerely doubt David Duke would be in favour of busting up any post-American white separatist state along subracial, much less national, lines as well.
    I'm not misinterpreting it, they're your words. You seem to be of the idea that since he is American he must embrace your opinion of the typical American's idea about race. Well the current typical idea about race is pro-diversity, pro-immigration. But okay, you mean pro-race American. And what is the typical American? He is a mixture of all of Europe? No. Typically America is Nordish, or Celto-Germanic. There has never been an American idea of "whiteness" being any kind of European. It has traditionally been one of Celto-Germanic stock. Southern and Eastern Europeans are latecomers, as are Jews and other nonEuropeans. Today "white" can mean any Caucasoid, and people with nonwhite admixture as well. Who defines white, should we define it by this rootless, modern mixed idea? I don't think so. We should use the standard of our forefathers, a standard which represents America's foundation and core.

    You seem to missing the point, that even though America is traditionally Celto-Germanic in race and culture, somehow all Europeans/Europids are equally American, and they are not. He doesn't factor this in, because he is a POLITICIAN, and he is selling an idea that will be most acceptable to "whites". David Duke has even said before on a public talk show that he considers Jews to be European Americans. Like your pal Edana, who thinks Jews are not a problem racially, only their politics.

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    I would say that David Duke has made himself crystal clear. He is an American White Nationalist. For David Duke, whiteness subsumes both Slavs and Mediterraneans whom he describes as Aryan, hence his pan-Europeanism. This is also the approach that has been adopted by Stormfront, not simply my opinion (which I have yet to discuss in this thread). It is reflected in the comments he made above, as anyone can clearly see. David Duke does not suggest that Mediterraneans and Slavs are less white because they are latecomers (although they did come here later on). He does not associate White America with the Celto-Germanic core culture either, which would have been unthinkable for an American racialist a century or so ago.

    Quite obviously, there has been a change of opinion as to who is considered to be 'white' by the mainstream American racialist groups (as the gallery can see above). At the beginning of the 20th century, even the whiteness of the Slavs or the Mediterraneans would have commonly been disputed within American racialist circles. Throughout the 19th century, American racialists (especially those in New England) also often assumed the Anglo-Saxons were the whitest of all Europeans and thus the superior master race. The Germans and the Irish were commonly regarded as white, although to a lesser degree (much confusion stems from this amongst anti-racists). The 'true American' was identified with the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant. This definition was later broadened in the late 19th century to include Christian whites of Northwestern European extraction as the Irish and Germans began to assimilate. In the 20th century, especially since WW2, the umbrella of whiteness (in the popular American mind) has been extended to the Slavs and the Mediterraneans. Hence my point, that David Duke's racial position reflects his social and historical situation as an American.

    As for the Jews, you are right, I do not consider the Jewish problem to be racial in nature. The hatred and resentment the Jews hold against Europeans is first and foremost a cultural one that is rooted in reflection upon their history. The Jews feel they are victims who have been persecuted by anti-Semites across the ages. Thus, in their view, in order to fight anti-Semitism (which they construct as a problem) it is thus necessary for them to dilute the racial, cultural, and ethnic identities of their hosts, in order to avoid such hosts perceiving them as aliens. I don't see mitochondria or genetic markers as being the cause of this, if that is what you are wondering.

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    He's also talking on SF. SF being a WN board. I don't think he's going to say anything that would be considered divisive at SF. I think if he was given the choice of living in an Anglo-Saxon community or a Sicilian one, he'd choose the A-S one.
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