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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPrussian
    ...there is something I would like to ask you: would you happen to know anything about the Crimean Goths besides the accounts normally given about them such as the one on this link?
    http://germa.germsem.uni-kiel.de/gotisch/krimgot.html

    For instance, were they all carried off to slavery by the Turks, were they absorbed by the Crimean Tatars, or did they survive till the days of Stalin? I suppose there must be Ukrainian records of the goths and not just accounts by Westerners, and if so, where would it be possible to reference these? Actually, I'm interested in any information you may be able to provide!
    Well I have currently Ukraine: a concise encyclopaedia by Volodymyr Kubiiovych and Ukraine: A History by Orest Subtelny. I can consult these sources for the time being on what they say about the Crimean Goths.

    Anyways....glad to know you're a Ukrainophile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taras Bulba
    Well I have currently Ukraine: a concise encyclopaedia by Volodymyr Kubiiovych and Ukraine: A History by Orest Subtelny. I can consult these sources for the time being on what they say about the Crimean Goths.

    Anyways....glad to know you're a Ukrainophile.
    That would be great! I doubt the goths are important enough to show up in some general history on the Ukraine, but yes, I am interested, so thanks in advance!

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    Actually Ukraine: a concise encyclopaedia by Volodymyr Kubiiovych deals quite alot with race and phenotypes of the early Ukrainians and I do remember reading something about Goths or Nordics populating the area at one time.

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    I just read Ukraine: a concise encyclopaedia last night it does mention the presence of Goths in the Ukraine around the 2nd century AD but were conquered and eventually driven out by the Huns. Hope this info helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taras Bulba
    I just read Ukraine: a concise encyclopaedia last night it does mention the presence of Goths in the Ukraine around the 2nd century AD but were conquered and eventually driven out by the Huns. Hope this info helps.
    Thanks! Well it does show that Crimean Goths are not of great interest to Ukrainians so I guess it helps in a way...of course most Goths left Russia and the Ukraine and went on to conquer the Roman Empire, but that's hardly anything new. I'm actually rather surprised that you never heard of the Crimean Goths who had their own kingdom there until the 18th century, but I guess Ukrainians have had other worries. Thanks again for taking the trouble of looking this up for me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPrussian
    I'm actually rather surprised that you never heard of the Crimean Goths who had their own kingdom there until the 18th century, but I guess Ukrainians have had other worries.
    No I wasnt aware of this. I've always read that it is was the Tatars who had the kingdom in Crimea untill the 18th century.

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    Post Re: Crimean Goths

    German wikipedia tells:

    Crimean Gothic language existed until the 16th century.


    Krimgoten

    aus Wikipedia, der freien Enzyklopädie

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    Die Krimgoten sind aus dem Teil der Goten hervorgegangen, die sich im Jahre 257 auf der Krim, am Schwarzen Meer niederließen, wo sie zu Verbündeten Roms wurden. Sie machten Dori zu ihrer Hauptstadt und hinterließen eine Reihe von Baudenkmälern, die Gotenburgen. Noch lange existierten gotische Fürstentümer auf der Krim, die Bevölkerung vermischte sich jedoch bald. Erst im 16. Jahrhundert starb die krimgotische Sprache (siehe auch: gotische Sprache) aus.
    Das Dritte Reich leitete aus der Existenz der als deutsch empfundenen Krimgoten Besitzansprüche auf die Krim ab und benannte sie in Neugotland um.

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    Re: Crimean Goths

    So which other ethnos absorbed the Goths once they had lost their tongue? Were they staunchly Christian to the end? If so, I imagine they would most naturally have fused with the Pontic Greeks on the Peninsula. I suppose the 16th Century is far too early for them to have been absorbed by the equally Christian Russians, who were yet to reach the Crimea?

    [[[Or, Gods forbid! Were any taken into the Tatar nation?!? Desperate times...?]]]

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    Re: Crimean Goths

    The last speakers of Eastern Germanic languages of whom we know were heavily Hellenized — one was even a native speaker of Greek who had learned Gothic as a second language. I would guess that the Crimean Goths were mostly assimilated into Greek culture. But others might know better than I.

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    Re: Crimean Goths

    I wonder were there mass emigrations from the Cimmerian Peleponesos when the Turkics took over? That way, the descendants of the last Goths would now be found in Greece proper [most likely after a few centuries stop over in Asia Minor before the population exchanges of the 1920s].
    I know a few Greeks stayed behind near the Sea of Azov [one such lady was my doctor in Moscow - a very nice person], but how many stayed on the Krim?

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