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    EDIT: I still don't really make heads or tails of this ancient DNA...

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    Srubnaya 50
    North Italian 50

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    Srubnaya 25
    Hinxton Celtic Roman 25
    Longobard 25
    North Italian 25

    Admix 10 minimum
    Longobard 20
    North Italian 20
    Baiuvarii Germanic 10
    Alpine 10
    Scotland Bell Beaker 10
    Britain York 10
    Wielbark Kow 10
    Visigoth Iberian 10
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    I can take a try with the ancient DNA, but DNA can be just "filler" and be carried much like ancient Neanderthal DNA both in European and Asian populations, 1-4%. During various ice ages, Early Europeans migrated South from extreme cold to the Southern countries: France, Italy and Spain for possible Iberia influences. Bell Beaker cultures predated and overlapped with the Bronze Age, genetically similar to the ethnic Germans today. It is considered the early ancient Germanic peoples. Beaker Ware groups have a certain pottery style that can separate Eastern and Western ethnic groups before metal smiting. Celts ruled much of Central Europe with strongholds in Trier, Hallstaat, and Schweitz. Celtic people are still Indo-european, and the culture changed rapidly under the Roman conquest. This may help: "There appears to have been significant gene flow between among Celts of Western Europe during the Iron Age.[156] Modern populations of Western Europe, particularly those who still speak Celtic languages, display substantial genetic continuity with the Iron Age populations of the same areas." but, from current gene studies, people from the UK today are closer related to modern Northern Europeans than Celts. Celts are also a culture group. Baiuvarii Germanic are the early Bavarian people. The Italian and Roman influences could be from trading routes and expansion or conquests of Central Europe and within the UK. Other invasions and expansions by Visigoths in Northern Spain or other Germanic tribes also influenced the gene pool.

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    Top predictions below match MyTrueAncestry (or their computations follow Eurogenes), which show tribal origins being mostly Saxon, Celt and Frank and modern ethnicities as English, Welsh and Dutch--regardless of any more anachronistic view of heritage from more removed contributions before the Renaissance. On the other hand, it is very nice finding Britain_York and Migration_Period results for me, because I can't think of much better in my ignorance of other possibilities beyond those listed immediately following them in distance.

    Seeing below, I've mostly English results, with Armorica/Brittany on the English Channel and Holland/Netherlands on the North Sea also popping highest. These three match my great-grandparents: 6/8 or 3/4 English (all surnames Germanic), 1/8 Breton (with what must be a Gallo surname, so tracing this has been hard for me) and 1/8 Dutch (Germanic surname). The results between the two services obviously show that there is a difference between Saxon English and Frank Dutch; no real difference between British Welsh, Cornish and Breton, but a real difference between them and Gaelic Scottish, Orcadian (good substitute for Manx?) and Irish.

    The part of England my clan is from was usually ruled by Bretons and Lancastrians (or is that Castilians? John of Gaunt, lol)--rather than Normans and Yorkists--from 1071 and to 1485, when the Dreux-Montfort claim to Richmond was waived by Francis II to the Tudors and their Stuart heirs. The interesting thing here, though, is that my Dutch great-grandmother's lineage was traced within the family tree back to Normandy before the Reformation. That means whatever Continental about me is overall within the Insular sphere anyway, on both sides of the Atlantic.

    Eurogenes K36

    Closest population distances

    Population Distance
    IA_Britain_York_6DRIF22 1.219109
    IA_Britain_York_3DRIF16 1.472594
    IA_Hinxton4_Celtic_Roman 1.491699
    IA_Celtic_Britain_Hinxton1 1.49413
    IA_Britain_York_6DRIF3 1.541212
    IA_Britain_York_6DRIF18 1.548933
    BA_Unetice_Poland_RISE150 1.593673
    BA_Unetice_Czechia_RISE577 1.646039

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    Closest population distances

    Population Distance
    English 0.443421
    Cornish 0.469021
    Dutch 0.491629
    German 0.604606
    Danish 0.698079
    Orcadian 0.716886
    Irish 0.77946
    Scottish 0.909249
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    Population Distance
    English 0.443
    Cornish 0.469
    Dutch 0.491
    West_&_Central_German 0.605
    Danish 0.698
    Orcadian 0.717
    Irish 0.779
    Scottish 0.909
    Updated Eurogenes K13

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    Population Distance
    Southeast_English 0.339302
    South_Dutch 0.497432
    Southwest_English 0.5965
    Orcadian 0.612971
    West_German 0.646696
    North_Dutch 0.709056
    Danish 0.718003
    Irish 0.771358
    Updated Eurogenes K13

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    Dutch_South 0.330
    FRA_Armorica 0.358
    English_Southeast 0.392
    English_Midlands 0.396
    English_Southwest 0.430
    English 0.435
    Dutch 0.477
    English_North 0.513
    Updated Eurogenes K13

    Closest population distances

    Population Distance
    France_BA_RIX4 0.398
    I2458_England_MBA_3340_ybp 0.432
    M1489_England_IA.SG_2035_ybp 0.453
    France_BA_BIS385 0.515
    I2568_Scotland_CA_EBA_4113_ybp 0.573
    France_IA_BFM265 0.574
    France_IA_BES1248 0.590
    I0789_England_IA.SG_2155_ybp 0.615
    EUtest V2 K15

    Closest population distances

    Population Distance
    Southwest_English 0.391618
    Southeast_English 0.493564
    South_Dutch 0.634033
    Danish 0.662303
    North_Dutch 0.686554
    West_Scottish 0.709988
    Irish 0.717101
    West_German 0.740961

    EUtest V2 K15

    Closest population distances

    Population Distance
    FRA_Armorica 0.346
    Dutch_South 0.351
    English_Southeast 0.394
    English_Southwest 0.400
    English_Midlands 0.408
    English 0.422
    English_North 0.471
    Dutch 0.472

    EUtest V2 K15

    Closest population distances

    Population Distance
    Migration_Period_DA119 0.986
    Przeclawice_RISE150 1.265
    Scythian_SCY311 1.345
    Nordic_Germanic_NO3423 1.552
    Cimmerian_Cim357 1.574
    Medieval_Hungarian_DA199 1.586
    Hallstatt_Celt_DA111 1.596
    EarlyCzechSlav_RISE569 2.010

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    Closest population distances

    Population Distance
    English 0.454422
    Cornish 0.466204
    Dutch 0.490811
    West_&_Central_German 0.607636
    Danish 0.690975
    Orcadian 0.708608
    Irish 0.761353
    Scottish 0.887097

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    https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

    The map graphs display my K36 averaged between Ancestry DNA and Living DNA. In affinity, it seems that I am nearest English, West German and East French at 86%, followed by Norman, Belgian, Welsh and Breton at 85%. I can also present this as primarily West German Saxon and Ripuarian Frankish, but there's obviously a secondary 'Celt' (British) linkage between them and MyTrueAncestry states these are my highest three, followed by North German Dane.

    British DNA like Breton, Cornish and Welsh is actually from pre-Roman Belgium (Nordwestblock, i.e. Germano-Celtic or Celto-Germanic), thereby accessory to West Germans already before the Völkerwanderung sent them to post-Roman Britain. It makes me by autosomal DNA, mostly of North Sea, Rhineland and English Channel origins, so Anglo-Lëtzebuerger if put into an ethnic profile. The map shows me equidistant from both the Scots and Irish, South Germans and Swiss, with Dutch and North Germans further afield.

    Compared with the immediate origins of my eight great-grandparents, the results here make perfect sense for the total combination of my known recent ancestry. These results largely also match the six founding peoples to make up the body of Americans: English, Scottish, Irish, French, Dutch and German, but me not so much Celtic Scottish and Irish in this, so I accept the Germanic English, French, Dutch and German as reflecting the majority of my family tree most accurately, especially to fill in the blanks for the missing names I may never know. Yes, I realise this means I'm mostly West German (and more Saxon than Frank) despite my surname and shire where it comes from in England, along with Y-DNA and mtDNA being from North German Dane origins.

    Despite the connections, I'm still not Gael or Latin, having interactions with them that all West Germans have, simply due to unavoidable geopolitics and this Germanic focus in Europe is even with going to the next bracket beyond, in the 70s percentile. The most distant types of folks in Europe are Graeco-Romans, Basques and Finns, all of which are lower than the average Latin American and this is despite having lower relation to non-Latin Amerindians, thus proving the proximity is by Iberian admixture in the former. If some wanted to match the regions where my DNA is strongest with those where certain phenotypes are prevalent, they might classify me by the SNPA as some spectrum or blend of Anglo-Saxon, Kelt and Borreby; I do not think I could logically disagree with being mostly Nordid (Anglo-Saxon & Kelt) and altered through a selection of Cro-Magnoid (Borreby) admixture, to use the phraseology of the SNPA.
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