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    Here are some of mine:

    As for Gedmatch apps, my favourite and most accurate are MDLP K23b, Eurogenes K13 and K15. I've noticed that there is a difference in single populations between Oracle (more accurate) and Oracle+4 (a little off). I don't bother with pie chart and percentages, because distance plotting reveals my nearest ethnicities within 20 spaces and matches my family tree.


    MDLP K23b Oracle


    First seven places are more or less the same.


    Living DNA


    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 2.85
    2 Frisian ( ) 3.37
    3 Belgian ( ) 3.49
    4 Irish ( ) 3.58
    5 English ( ) 3.71
    6 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 4
    7 North_European ( ) 4.75
    8 CEU ( ) 5.29
    9 Welsh ( ) 5.31
    10 British ( ) 5.39
    11 French ( ) 6.93
    12 Dutch ( ) 7.12
    13 Norwegian_East ( ) 7.38
    14 South_German ( ) 7.78
    15 Norwegian_West ( ) 8.07
    16 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 8.71
    17 Swede ( ) 8.75
    18 German-Volga ( ) 8.96
    19 North_German ( ) 9.02
    20 Dane ( ) 9.24


    Ancestry DNA


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    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Frisian ( ) 2.6
    2 Belgian ( ) 3.31
    3 Irish ( ) 3.5
    4 English ( ) 4.38
    5 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 4.49
    6 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 5.52
    7 North_European ( ) 5.77
    8 Dutch ( ) 6.37
    9 CEU ( ) 6.74
    10 South_German ( ) 6.79
    11 Welsh ( ) 6.83
    12 British ( ) 6.89
    13 German-Volga ( ) 7.82
    14 Norwegian_East ( ) 7.86
    15 French ( ) 8.26
    16 North_German ( ) 8.36
    17 Swede ( ) 8.86
    18 Dane ( ) 9.05
    19 Norwegian_West ( ) 9.19
    20 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 9.95

    K13 is consistent except for the flip between fourth and fifth groups. K15 is best for the first two groups. MDLP doesn't waste my time with ancestry before the 15th century. Furthermore, what's the point of Oracle+4, in chasing crazy admix configurations between two, three, or four populations that don't fit?


    K13


    Living DNA


    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Southeast_English 3.09
    2 South_Dutch 4.44
    3 Southwest_English 5.15
    4 Orcadian 5.3
    5 West_German 5.66
    6 North_Dutch 6.17
    7 Danish 6.35
    8 Irish 6.58
    9 West_Scottish 6.64
    10 North_German 6.83
    11 Norwegian 8.51
    12 French 9.19
    13 Swedish 10.02
    14 Austrian 12.13
    15 East_German 12.95
    16 North_Swedish 15.15
    17 Spanish_Cataluna 16.24
    18 Hungarian 16.67
    19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.41
    20 Spanish_Galicia 17.67


    Ancestry DNA


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    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Southeast_English 3.23
    2 South_Dutch 4.07
    3 Southwest_English 5.17
    4 West_German 5.24
    5 Orcadian 5.52
    6 North_Dutch 6.36
    7 Danish 6.6
    8 Irish 6.71
    9 West_Scottish 6.81
    10 North_German 6.93
    11 Norwegian 8.78
    12 French 8.79
    13 Swedish 10.29
    14 Austrian 12.03
    15 East_German 12.96
    16 North_Swedish 15.43
    17 Spanish_Cataluna 15.88
    18 Hungarian 16.58
    19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.05
    20 Spanish_Galicia 17.36


    K15


    Living DNA


    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Southwest_English 3.1
    2 Southeast_English 3.99
    3 South_Dutch 5.33
    4 Danish 5.73
    5 North_Dutch 5.82
    6 West_Scottish 5.92
    7 Irish 5.93
    8 Orcadian 6.31
    9 West_German 6.37
    10 North_German 6.75
    11 Norwegian 8.1
    12 French 8.88
    13 West_Norwegian 9.06
    14 Swedish 9.69
    15 North_Swedish 11.74
    16 East_German 12.16
    17 Southwest_Finnish 16.11
    18 Austrian 16.21
    19 Spanish_Galicia 16.34
    20 Spanish_Cataluna 16.43


    Ancestry DNA


    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Southwest_English 3.29
    2 Southeast_English 4.34
    3 North_Dutch 5.75
    4 Orcadian 5.86
    5 Danish 5.91
    6 South_Dutch 5.99
    7 West_German 6.05
    8 West_Scottish 6.09
    9 Irish 6.24
    10 North_German 7.19
    11 Norwegian 7.83
    12 West_Norwegian 8.57
    13 French 9.23
    14 Swedish 9.54
    15 North_Swedish 11.83
    16 East_German 12.73
    17 Spanish_Galicia 16.69
    18 Southwest_Finnish 16.69
    19 Austrian 16.96
    20 Spanish_Cataluna 16.98

    Top Oracle results for LDNA per app [Brackets where ADNA is different]:


    MDLP K11 Modern: British_Celtic @ 4.159802 (Oracle+4)
    MDLP K16 Modern: French (France) 3.12 [ADNA: French (WestFrance)]
    MDLP K23b: English_Kent_GBR ( ) 2.85 [ADNA: Frisian]
    MDLP World-22: CEU (derived) 4.57 [ADNA: German-South (derived)]
    MDLP World: Austrian 2.5


    Eurogenes K13: Southeast_English 3.09
    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15: Southwest_English 3.1
    Jtest: English 3.74
    EUtest: English 3.65


    Dodecad V3: CEU (HapMap) 2.89
    Africa9: North_Italian 4.86
    World9: Mixed_Germanic 2.79
    Dodecad K7b: Mixed_Germanic 3.33
    Dodecad K12b: Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 4.42


    HarappaWorld: utahn-white (1000genomes) 4.43 [ADNA: french]


    EthioHelix K10 + French: french 25.24
    EthioHelix K10 + Japanese: egypt 6.33
    EthioHelix K10 + Palestinian: morocco-n 6.81
    EthioHelix K10 Africa Only: algeria 8.46


    puntDNAL K10 Ancient: German_South 2.8 [ADNA: Croatian]
    puntDNAL K12 Ancient: Alberstedt_LN_I0118 5.7
    puntDNAL K12 Modern: German_South 2.22 [ADNA: Belgian]
    puntDNAL K13 Global: German_South 3.72
    puntDNAL K15: Utahn_White 2.94
    puntDNAL K8 African only: Egyptian 4.31


    Gedrosia K3: French @ 0.000000 (Oracle+4) [ADNA: Albanian]
    Gedrosia K12: Norwegian 16.82
    Ancient Eurasia K6: Hungarian 1.81


    MDLP utilities gave me something different in each app on Gedmatch, but the top results were all in my recent family tree, so if they changed position in proximity between Living DNA and Ancestry DNA, it was reasonable to see only older generations. It came down to combining English @ Eurogenes, Mixed Germanic @ Dodecad, Utahn White @ HarrapaWorld and German @ puntDNAL, which seems entirely consistent with the different results per MDLP app, as well as an Anglo-Frisian American profile. Whichever ones were irrelevant, like Ethiohelix and Gedrosia, were good for racial hygiene and that's fine if they don't match contemporary ethnicity.


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    DNA: Living | Ancestry
    K36: SZ3_Longobard 0.8102395 | SZ23_Longobard 0.6658806
    EUtest: English 0.4429018 | English 0.3848558
    K13: Southeast_English 0.3404314 | Southeast_English 0.3574268
    EUtest V2 K15: Southwest_English 0.3915967 | Southwest_English 0.389361
    Jtest K14: English 0.4540176 | English 0.3915214
    K27: Welsh 0.5831449 | Welsh 0.6095064
    K10: English 1.370716 | English 1.504824
    K11: Germans 0.5567962 | Germans 0.5266973
    Ancient Near East 13: French 0.7706179 | French 0.7229336

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    From YourDNAPortal, which is outdated:

    Surprised that my DNA is counted as Longobard here, because it's lower than Saxon and about even with Frank (depending on Living DNA or Ancestry DNA files) at MyTrueAncestry, which is a newer website by some years and constantly updating with new archaeological samples, sending me weekly emails with them. I didn't have patience to combine similar ancient populations in the results here.

    Eurogenes K36

    Population
    Value
    SZ3_Longobard
    33.6
    SZ23_Longobard
    22.4
    IA_Britain_York_6DRIF22
    9.6
    Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_355
    6.8
    IA_Celtic_Britain_Hinxton1
    4.4
    DA111_Hallstatt-Bylany|_800BC
    2.4
    SZ42_Longobard
    1.8
    Baiuvarii_Germanic_AEd_92
    1.6
    CL102_Frankish
    1.4
    IA_Hinxton4_Celtic_Roman
    1.4
    IA_Wielbark_Kow_25_PL
    1.2
    CL63_Alpine
    1
    I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent
    1
    MBA_Germany__RISE471
    1
    Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_248
    0.8
    CL23_north-Italian
    0.8
    BA_Sintashta_RISE395
    0.6
    EMA_Balkan_AED_1135
    0.6
    EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
    0.6
    IA_Wielbark_Mas_5_PL
    0.6
    Visigoth_I12032
    0.6
    i3759_Celtiberian_IA
    0.6
    BA_Hungary_RISE374
    0.4
    BA_Srubnaya_I0234
    0.4
    CL94_Iberian
    0.4
    EMA_Czech_Slav_RISE568
    0.4
    IA_Britain_York_6DRIF3
    0.4
    BA_Hungary_RISE247
    0.2
    Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0806
    0.2
    CL57_north-Italian
    0.2
    EMA_Balkan_AED_125
    0.2
    EMA_north-Italian_FN_2
    0.2
    I1767_Beaker_Britain
    0.2
    I3496_Iberian_Catalonia_200BCE
    0.2
    I3759_Celtiberian
    0.2
    IA_Britain_York_6DRIF23
    0.2
    LNBA_Urnfield_Germany_I0099
    0.2
    MBA_Ireland_Rathlin
    0.2
    Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c
    0.2
    SZ28_north-Italian
    0.2
    SZ40_Italian
    0.2
    Sungir6_Medieval_Russian
    0.2
    Visigoth_Iberian_I12034
    0.2

    Yes, I realise that Uralic isn't Germanic, but I grouped it together for the same reason that Basque is included within Italic countries--hence the inflated French or Spanish, depending on the calculator's country name affixed to Basque. So, all that means is I'm a little less genetically both Germanic and Italic, but about the same culturally as tabulated--as Germanic and Italic are overwhelmingly influential in each case. As for British, no, it doesn't include Irish, but minor Cornish, Welsh, Orcadian and Scot in some of the results, while I'm surprised at nary a Celtic result.

    Apparently, I have trace (mostly 0.2% each of) Balto-Slavic, Hellenic and Jew (listed as Samaritans and Algerian Jews) markers. According to Eurogenes, if one group doesn't reach the threshold of 4%, it's considered statistical noise, but I'm still surprised to see those listed at all.

    Also, YourDNAPortal says that I am higher Germanic and with a lower secondary percentage of Italic than MyTrueAncestry, which lowers my Germanic and says I'm more Celtic otherwise, without any noise percentages like seen here from unknown sources. Maybe Italic and Celtic are easy to confuse, so the Italo-Celtic category equally applies, or MyTrueAncestry is more accurate from more recent calculations. I'm certainly more Anglo-Celtic than "Anglo-Italic", if only one may be excused for using English and British interchangeably.

    EUtest
    GERMANIC: 84.8
    British: 60.8
    Danish: 20
    Dutch: 3.8
    Swedish: 0.2
    ITALIC: 15.2
    French: 7.2
    Portuguese: 4
    Spanish: 2.8
    Italian: 1.2

    K13
    GERMANIC: 87
    British: 78.8
    Dutch: 2.6
    German: 2.2
    Swedish: 1.8
    Finnish: 0.8
    Luxembourger: 0.4
    Danish: 0.4
    Austrian: 0.2
    Icelandic: 0.2
    ITALIC: 12.2
    Spanish: 7.8
    French: 2
    Portuguese: 1.6
    Italian: 0.4
    Romanian: 0.2
    Moldavian: 0.2
    BALTO-SLAVIC: 0.6
    Lithuanian: 0.2
    Russian: 0.2
    Serbian: 0.2
    HELLENIC 0.2
    Greek: 0.2
    SEMITIC: 0.2
    Israeli: 0.2

    K15
    GERMANIC: 89
    British: 59.8
    Norwegian: 12.4
    Icelandic: 5.8
    German: 4
    Danish: 2.8
    Swedish: 2.8
    Hungarian: 1
    Finnish: 0.4
    ITALIC: 9.2
    Spanish: 4.6
    French: 2.4
    Portuguese: 1.4
    Italian: 0.8
    BALTO-SLAVIC: 0.8
    Russian: 0.4
    Ukrainian: 0.2
    Serbian: 0.2
    SEMITIC: 0.2
    Algerian: 0.2

    Jtest
    GERMANIC: 83.4
    British: 54.6
    Danish: 22
    Dutch: 5.6
    Swedish: 0.8
    Norwegian: 0.4
    ITALIC: 16.2
    French: 9
    Spanish: 3.4
    Portuguese: 2.2
    Italian: 1.6
    BALTO-SLAVIC: 0.2
    Russian: 0.2
    HELLENIC: 0.2
    Greek: 0.2

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    I have now decided to interpret my results by focusing on the order of distance from ethnicities, with British Isles populations as standards for deviation. At any given time on an admixture calculator--especially Eurogenes, but HarappaWorld also being relevant--if there are any Continental groups beyond Anglo-Celtic groups that rival them (i.e. don't take them for granted) in the nearest spots, then I hail those as ancestral, because it already goes without saying that my ancestry is primarily from the Isles. So, what I have found, is that Dutch, German and Danish are neck and neck with Celtic peoples for me on Eurogenes, mostly beneath English-which may lend credence to the theory of Saxon husbands with Welsh wives in the process of nation-building, much like Scotland being made of Irish fathers and Pictish mothers, or the male-female Norse-Gael dichotomy of the Faeroes, Iceland and Greenland. What this tells me, is that Frisian, Saxon and Jute origins of my folk are 100% correct. Even if it may not be the case that we are a paternally Germanic, maternally Celtic nation, it is possible instead that much of the Celts are rather paternally Germanic from "Bretwalda" lebensborn and thus justifying their near proximity--this is likely the nature of Norse in Gaelic countries making them cluster together with Scandinavian countries for those who otherwise consider themselves Celts.

    See here: http://viking.archeurope.info/index....d-celtic-blood

    Furthermore, HarappaWorld marks me British, "Utahn" and North European and practically without differences plotting or charting closer than any other further off, but it does confirm our Anglo population's heritage is not some rootless cosmopolitan, tabula rasa set of bodies for indoctrination to serve inimical purposes. Therefore, England is Germanic and America is English. Not only this, but various admix calculators also list off various New World populations like Brazilian and Puerto Rican as potential ethnicities to have and they typically cluster with other Old World Mediterranean groups, so if they are validly constituted nationalities with DNA markers giving off signatures distinguishable from those of other states, then there is only a lie to tell in claiming that anybody can be English and American. If you talk the talk (language) and walk the walk (genetics), then you greatly match for life not only in America and England, but Holland, Germany and Denmark, or even Celtic nations, if you are so bold. I am happy and perfectly consoled that history isn't simply myth, that sagas have facts backing them up in our manner of speaking and blood coursing through our veins. I cannot be faulted for default bias to NW European nations, due to the inherent nature of Englishness. I am curious to know what groups outside of Continental Germanics, challenge their distance plotting.

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    I used mostly old family records and well researched ancestry. When you research the family line over 500 years, there tends to be much movement of Northern European groups because of Western expansion and later, religious persecution. We had ancestors through paternal side from both Southern Ireland and London, England. Other ancestors included the French Normans that settled in Wales and Scotland and eventually moved to original Thirteen British Colonies. For the maternal side, most of my relatives are German, which can be easily traced to the Rhineland over the last 600 years. Oddly, they stayed in mostly one region of Hesse and the Rhineland-Palatinate. You and I have a very similar ethnic background with Celt and Germanic histories. About 3,000 years ago, Southern Germany had a strong Celtic Federation too near Trier and Mainz. I'm not sure if the Irish Celts are really related to the German and Swiss Celts of Central Europe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterland View Post
    I used mostly old family records and well researched ancestry. When you research the family line over 500 years, there tends to be much movement of Northern European groups because of Western expansion and later, religious persecution. We had ancestors through paternal side from both Southern Ireland and London, England. Other ancestors included the French Normans that settled in Wales and Scotland and eventually moved to original Thirteen British Colonies. For the maternal side, most of my relatives are German, which can be easily traced to the Rhineland over the last 600 years. Oddly, they stayed in mostly one region of Hesse and the Rhineland-Palatinate. You and I have a very similar ethnic background with Celt and Germanic histories. About 3,000 years ago, Southern Germany had a strong Celtic Federation too near Trier and Mainz. I'm not sure if the Irish Celts are really related to the German and Swiss Celts of Central Europe?
    New English conditions replicated Old English foundations; Dutch for Frisian coming with William of Orange-Nassau (both independently of England and after the Glorious Revolution), German for Saxon coming with George of Brunswick (admittedly in tandem to his Palatine mother Sophia and her own parents' Bohemian loyalists expelled by the Austrians) and Swede for Jute (in place of Prince George of Denmark-Norway; Sweden was ruled by Hessians at the time and so a possible influence of said mercenaries in the Delaware area during the War of Independence). Whether I owe my genetic plotting more to pre-1066 or colonial circumstances, I cannot gather scientifically, except to vouch for the compatibility in approximation of the latter with the former. I am a success story where assimilation is concerned and refuse to take sides as to the integrity of either manifest of Englishness. I cannot rightly say that the addition of those populations has diluted my Englishness; rather, I am convinced that they supplemented the basic bloodstock of Englishness to affirm it, or else I would not have all four grandparents with English background in the male line (the others being autosomal female inheritances) and it would be hard to argue otherwise, when DNA tests are almost unanimous that I am English, otherwise "Mixed Germanic" or German (perhaps Saxons were more influential than Frisians or Dutch, Jutes or Swedes).

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    Since 7/8 of my great-grandparents had Germanic surnames and Eurogenes @ YourDNAPortal identifies me as roughly about 87.5% Germanic, I'm now able to reconcile this with MyTrueAncestry saying my other ancestry is Celtic, although it's true that the surname in question is Italic. One more point for the Italo-Celtic concept. Think on how Owen is a translation of Eugene, or Gladys is from Claudius. In my Penguin Historical Atlas of Great Britain and Ireland, a project by Barry Cunliffe, there's a map of post-Roman circumstances that shows the distribution of Welsh monuments in Latin, along with Irish Ogham inscriptions and Pictish stones, contrasted with Anglo-Saxon burials. I fit comfortably hither Hadrian's Wall and mostly east of Offa's Dyke. YourDNAPortal now has me at:

    K11E @ British Celtic
    World22 @ CEU (Utahn)
    WorldFinal16 @ French

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    I forgot to indicate that those were the results from my Living DNA sample, so here are those from Ancestry DNA:

    K11E @ British Celtic
    World22 @ German-South
    WorldFinal16 @ French

    It seems that there's as little difference between German and American as there is English and American, using Mormons as type population. Utahns are counted as New Englanders by Ancestry DNA and my recent English ancestors were Mormons as well as Anglicans to New England. I have my German ancestors by way of colonial Virginia, the major Anglican colony. I see overlapping everywhere, which is why I support the triangulation of Berlin, London and Washington so pivotal to (West) Germanic achievement at the turn of the 20th century. At this time, Prussians ruled Germany, Saxons ruled England and America held North German origins of Anglo-Saxons as paramount.

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    Here are my citations:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0140514848/

    My new phone's camera doesn't get any better resolution, but I've attached a picture of the map I'm referencing above, where it shows "Peoples, c. 600", "Memorial stone with Latin inscription" and "Latin memorial stones reflect successful British campaigns to drive the Irish out." I've always thought of Picts as Britons simply never undergoing cultural Romanisation (why then have kings named Alexander and Constantine?), but otherwise the same. My first name is Pictish and middle name is Breton; I've seen them Latinised before, but the reason why they're in my family is because Northumbria was partitioned with Lothian going north of the border and Christianisation from Lindisfarne by way of Iona. Deira was also won by the Breton wing of William's army after the Siege of York in 1071. Adoption of Celtic names by English seems the equivalent of Germans going by Italic ones like Augustus--or Greek like Hector among the French. The King of Scots was even Earl of Northumbria and comparable to the King of England being Duke of Normandy. A lot of people are amnesiac about the Irish having colonised Alba and Gaelicising it into Scotland, also taking Mann. In the map, I was surprised to see Irish Ogham not just in Wales and Cornwall, but even as far east as Silchester. This is the context of Patrick being kidnapped and enslaved to begin "driving the Serpent out of Ireland" along with Tristan & Isolde the last time it was put on film in 2006.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tris..._Isolde_(film)

    There's a lot in common with the Völkerwanderung themes of The Last Legion which followed in 2007 and featured an origin story for the Matter of Britain.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Legion

    Shows New Englanders and Utahns as one body...

    https://blogs.ancestry.com/cm/what-7...about-america/
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