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    "Is #tradwife Movement a Betrayal of Feminism?"

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    The author is a feminist who is upset over "#tradwife" and strongly believes 'real feminism' (lol) is a force for good in this world, so read at your own peril.


    Source: Theaustralian.com

    It’s been 19 years since a book called The Surrendered Wife taught women submission in marriage. Now the #tradwife movement has landed.

    When the expression, tradwife, flashed across screens recently I thought, oh no, here we go again, we’re going to be inundated with gingham aprons, sponge cakes, homilies on how to please your man and lessons on how to homeschool children so they won’t be exposed to unruly behaviour, socialist teachers or modern literature.

    It’s been 19 years since a book called The Surrendered Wife taught women submission in marriage and now the traditional wife movement has landed with a hashtag, #tradwife.

    The latest iteration of women who want to swap feminism for feminine improvement has a multitude of blogs and hashtags and even though retro wives are across new media (one wonders if they’re neglecting domestic duties) they profess that they want to return to the 50s and, in *particular, 1959.

    We can’t help thinking they’ve forgotten what life was like for women when you could derail a conversation with the words, “I’m a housewife”. So, let’s hop into the time machine. In 1959, Catholic leaders were warning about the dangers of rock ’n’ roll. But, you don’t need to worry. You can’t get into pubs and, in any case, you’re at home, barefoot and pregnant because the pill doesn’t yet exist, husbands can legally rape their wives and abortions are held in backyards.

    So, you’re going to have lots of kids but you’d better hope for easy births because your husband has to give his permission before a doctor will give you a caesarean. You’ll be boiling nappies, wringing clothes, carrying coal, beating eggs with a whisk, stewing steak, broiling everything else and relying on tripe for dinner before payday.

    Payday? That’s not for you. As soon as you got married, you were sacked from public service jobs and no one ever worked while they were pregnant, except for those tribal women you saw in National Geographic. It was a bit of a relief because when you did work you earned only 59c for every dollar a man earned and many jobs were closed to women (mostly the good ones).

    But you didn’t need to worry your pretty head because you weren’t allowed into the world of *finance. You couldn’t borrow money without your husband’s signature, you certainly couldn’t get a mortgage and if you were foolish enough to divorce, there was no single mother pension — just single mother shame.

    In 1959, you were lucky to get pocket money to stretch over all your duties, such as sewing. In school you were taught four sewing styles, an apron, a straight skirt, a blouse and bloomers, and if you were talented, you cross-stitched a table tray cloth. Table tray? That’s what you delivered to your husband when he plonked himself in front of the telly and shouted for dinner.

    You cooked. There were cooked breakfasts, packed lunches for everyone and, after you’d run the Hoover over the house, you prepared the children’s dinners and then started on a special meal for the man of the house. When did you eat? Well, you want to maintain that cinched waist don’t you?

    Yes, you were a pretty woman. You put on lippy before your man arrived home, wore curlers in your hair (but not around him) and worked on your posture to assure everyone you weren’t going crazy and, if you were, Valium would get you through to dinner if not to the end of your pretty life.

    That’s a brief refresh. But we get it. If life in 2020 seems too complex for women, the allure of 1959 is strong. But that says more about life for women today than life in the 50s. So rather than get carried away on #realfeminine, give *#realfeminism a go.
    “As brothers and sisters we knew instinctively that if we were going to stand in darkness, best we stand in a darkness we had made ourselves.” - Douglas Coupland

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    Nothing wrong with that kind of life. I'm a housewife and it makes me happy. The one thing which has changed a bit in modern times is that you can also work as a freelancer or part-time jobs from home (even housewife type jobs like babysitting or dog walking) so you can also bring some income to the family. However, I consider wife and mother to be a job by itself, and the most important job. Like any job, it requires waking up early and working long shifts. But it's a job I do with pleasure, it's not just my duty. On the other hand, feminist career women often end up lonely and regretful. Instead of turning women into capitalist wageslaves, the government should encourage motherhood. Housewives and stay-at-home mothers could receive a salary, which would encourage them to stay home and have children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    Instead of turning women into capitalist wageslaves, the government should encourage motherhood. Housewives and stay-at-home mothers could receive a salary, which would encourage them to stay home and have children.
    I'd support that in different demographic situations, but as it stands now, such a policy would most likely lead to even higher fertility rates among Third World immigrants, whose women largely don't work at all.

    I like Hungary's policy of giving progressive tax deductions for each child born into the family better.
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    Feminism and communism obviously sprang from (((the same minds.))) They both talk about "equality," but seek to achieve it by destroying society. Then when it doesn't work, supposedly it wasn't implemented correctly. It's all Jewish lies meant to destroy us as a people.
    [02-10, 17:07] Chlodovech: cats may have a reason for meowing too

    [02-10, 17:08] renownedwolf: same reason as the missus then.. give me stuff/affection..though she doesnt need me to let her out in the garden for a poo..

    [02-10, 17:09] Chlodovech: that's more than I can say of Thoreidar

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    In my view, traditional wives aren't a betrayal of feminism because they're not feministic in the first place. There is no reason why a woman should be feministic at all costs. In many cases, feminism isn't compatible with the traditional way of life. For example, feminism has no role in a Christian marriage. A good Christian wife submits to her husband and doesn't try to compete with him or replace his role. This is a view that is seen as antiquated and offensive by feministic women, who consider housewife a slavery role, however when they characterize it as "demeaning" they ignore the other side of the coin which are the duties of a traditional/Christian husband. In a traditional marriage, the wife is protected and provided for, as are the children. So in reality, it's very far from slavery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    Feminism and communism obviously sprang from (((the same minds.)))
    For certain, they did.



    Aaron Russo used to sustain a friendship with one gentleman from the Rockefeller clan. Here is what he told him about feminism.
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    Femininity and machismo are quite understandably the yin and yang of society in balance, which is off kilter without both complementary to the other. It's traditional to have schooling divided by gender, but I wouldn't have preferred being separated unless we were educated in different types of subjects and skills as traditionally done. I have no trouble with the opposite sex because of co-ed environments, so sometimes I wonder if misandry and misogyny is from schooling without both together. Also, I grew up with a sister and there's never been a "battle of the sexes" atmosphere in my life really. Everyone recognised the strengths and roles of each, although I have encountered those who don't care about that anymore, to their peril. It's possible that the "me generation" rekindled poor relations by their unipolarity and some have taken to making it a gender issue.

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