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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    I have stated before that I believe in an England that's openly about Saxons, Jutes and Danes, rather than a monolithic mass of taxable bodies (increased by the Union and mass immigration) and so, to allow actual building blocks of society to flourish, which Continentals used to care about. I am comfortable with any government that preserves resident tribes and doesn't force them to disappear. It's no surprise that when Wessex invaded and annexed Jutish Kent, Danes came in reprisal and then got their vengeance by the Danelaw, so there's always been at least three, if not four groups of Angelfolc and it's reflected in dialectal differences.
    The Angles were a tiny tribe that completely moved over to Britain, they hardly comprise much of the English population. And while the Saxons indeed established the order that is still in place (Essex, Wessex etc), the English arent (ethnic) Saxons either. The Danish intermezzo of rulership didnt last long and didnt leave an ethnic imprint on the English population either.
    But of course you dont care, just like you dont care that the Tyroleseans are actually Germans and instead twist the entire southern Germanic region (incl up to Bavaria) to "Italo-Celts", confusing "political" structures for ethnicities. Go to Tyrol and tell them they're really Italo-Celts, have fun with the reply muahaha

    Germany has basic demographics like this too, but are also at risk due to globalisation beyond unsympathetic centralism, a lot like Parisian policies regarding Alsace, Flanders, Brittany, Navarre, etc. You're either a preservationist or about Borg assimilation of native regional diversity. Keep pointing fingers when you can't help yourself be obsessed with power over defenceless volks like the Frisians. Attack me as Anti when I show empathy; how Orwellian. You can keep stewing in your juices. Who cares if you don't ever figure it out.
    You see, neither the Prussians nor the Reich nor Hitler "went Borg", quite to the contrary. Regional cultures were not only respected but furthered, along with our "homegrown" minorities (Wends, Sorbs, Danes...). This was so in the Reich and this was so in NS Germany with the Gaus, and interestingly it's still the case with the Bundesländer, although yes, the post-war problem is indeed a Borg-assimilation and ignorance and neglience of regional cultures.
    And really the last thing we need is another foreign freak dividing Germany to his liking along fantasy divides.

    Before you tell other people they dont figure it out you better get rid off your fantasy products of who belongs where and learn some ACTUAL German history, because what you propose is so wrong on so many levels that one doesnt even know where to start.


    Twisting and turning. I've always been open to the extant North Sea Germanic linguistic spectrum, including Low Saxon, Frisian and English. We are one body divided by your Hochdeutsch manifest destiny, same as Breton, Cornish and Welsh by other states totally uninterested in their right to exist under one roof.
    So now you want not only Frisia be assimiliated into your fantasy "New England" but also Lower Saxony? Okay Charlemagne....

    I took two DNA tests and the Elizabeth Warren mythology of Fauxahontas is pretty commonly refuted this way.
    You've claimed so many "ancestors" in this thread alone, you're a walking mythology of your own invention, and even if DNA tests would be more accurate than they are, you'd still invent and twist the data to your liking.

    All 19th century Anglo-Saxonists wanted reintegration or reunion with our Frisian and Saxon kin, but "Prussians" (a fake volk) and their agendas spoiled all the hard work of purging England of 1066.
    The Prussians a "fake volk"?!? No they arent. And they arent "Baltic", they are German.

    And as a Frisian I want to tell you that we have no interest to be "reintegrated" with your "New England" of "19th century Anglo-Saxonists" which is just the other side of the "British Israelism" coin. No thanks.
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    I’m not sure that this has been mentioned, but a study was done (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art.../#!po=0.609756) showing that the English are around 10-40% Anglo-Saxon reaching the highest of 60% in the North, around Yorkshire (from a separate study). These studies shouldn’t be taken as gospel, but they’re a good gauge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    The Angles were a tiny tribe that completely moved over to Britain, they hardly comprise much of the English population. And while the Saxons indeed established the order that is still in place (Essex, Wessex etc), the English arent (ethnic) Saxons either. The Danish intermezzo of rulership didnt last long and didnt leave an ethnic imprint on the English population either.
    But of course you dont care, just like you dont care that the Tyroleseans are actually Germans and instead twist the entire southern Germanic region (incl up to Bavaria) to "Italo-Celts", confusing "political" structures for ethnicities. Go to Tyrol and tell them they're really Italo-Celts, have fun with the reply muahaha



    You see, neither the Prussians nor the Reich nor Hitler "went Borg", quite to the contrary. Regional cultures were not only respected but furthered, along with our "homegrown" minorities (Wends, Sorbs, Danes...). This was so in the Reich and this was so in NS Germany with the Gaus, and interestingly it's still the case with the Bundesländer, although yes, the post-war problem is indeed a Borg-assimilation and ignorance and neglience of regional cultures.
    And really the last thing we need is another foreign freak dividing Germany to his liking along fantasy divides.

    Before you tell other people they dont figure it out you better get rid off your fantasy products of who belongs where and learn some ACTUAL German history, because what you propose is so wrong on so many levels that one doesnt even know where to start.




    So now you want not only Frisia be assimiliated into your fantasy "New England" but also Lower Saxony? Okay Charlemagne....



    You've claimed so many "ancestors" in this thread alone, you're a walking mythology of your own invention, and even if DNA tests would be more accurate than they are, you'd still invent and twist the data to your liking.



    The Prussians a "fake volk"?!? No they arent. And they arent "Baltic", they are German.

    And as a Frisian I want to tell you that we have no interest to be "reintegrated" with your "New England" of "19th century Anglo-Saxonists" which is just the other side of the "British Israelism" coin. No thanks.
    I can take it like a man and cornered animal with a gang going after me. Spin it however you want about your concept of "good Anglos" and "evil Anglos". For once, I figure that it's not worth bothering to present a different POV and you can have a one party state all you like. Just count me out from drinking the Jonestown Kool Aid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurdsson View Post
    I’m not sure that this has been mentioned, but a study was done (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art.../#!po=0.609756) showing that the English are around 10-40% Anglo-Saxon reaching the highest of 60% in the North, around Yorkshire (from a separate study). These studies shouldn’t be taken as gospel, but they’re a good gauge.
    Does that explain my strident affinity? I do also identify with the English majorities in Maine and Vermont, so if Luigi wants to claim that I feel alone in a sea of foreigners, I confess that H. P. Lovecraft is from my specific part of Anglo-American society. If you know his prejudices, you have got me profiled, only I am not a loser in between the sheets like he was. :/

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    I think this thread raises a series of pertinent questions about what it is that constitutes a nation. There was a similar discussion before where I raised a similar question, although I cannot find that thread any longer. Anyway, the point raised back then was how far do we go when we want to define a nation? Who were the first Germans, Englishmen, Norwegians, Swedes, etc.? Were the Vikings a nation? What about all these Germanic tribes, such as the Saxons or the Suebians? According to which criteria do we define a nation? For example, the Low Germans and Dutch have more in common and are more similar culturally and genetically to each other than they are to the Bavarians or Austrians. The Alemannics from Vorarlberg in Austria are more similar to the Alemannics from Germany and Switzerland than they are to Viennese or Styrians. Are the Austrians or Flemish nations of their own, or are they German, respectively Dutch? That depends on whom you ask. Some people consider the Dutch people to be Germans in denial rather than an ethnicity of their own. But are they really German, or have they been separate for long enough to form a nation of their own? Are the Luxembourgers more German or are they Netherlanders? And what about the Afrikaners? German, Dutch, or a nation of their own? What about the people in bordering areas? Are people in Schleswig more German or more Danish? Are the Alsatians German or French? Again, it depends whom you ask.

    Baorn's idea to unite Saxons from different countries is not that far-fetched when you think about the Bajuvarians, Alemannics or Frisians. Which begs the question, are the Frisians a nation? They have a sub-forum here on Skadi, indicating that their tribal identity would somehow supersede their national identity. Some will agree because like the Saxons, they're a tribe that extends beyond a single country, while others will say no, because Frisian is just a local/regional identity, like the Bavarians or Swabians, who are first and foremost German in their eyes. In Canada, there are several types of nationalists. A certain type of nationalist, loyalists, considers Canada a Dominion of the English rather than a separate, newborn nation. Those will usually fly the Dominion of Canada flag instead of our current flag. Anyway, in my opinion there are multiple forms of Germanic preservation, whether it's national, tribal, regionalist of pan-Germanic.

    I also have to agree with Baorn about the attitude towards those who don't support the Axis during WWII. I have experienced it myself and it is rather unpleasant and close minded. Just because someone is not NS does not make them an enemy of Germanic preservation. Actually, there are many aspects of NS that aren't exactly the most Germanic and which some members like Dagna pointed out quite well in another thread. History is not black and white and blindly supporting NS and worshipping Hitler like a Messiah is not the most objective view either. Instead of burning bridges with fellow Germanic preservationists, those bridges should be built. Intolerance and close mindedness leave us stuck in the past instead of progressing forward.

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    Since we've all hopefully calmed down a bit, let me explain what I really mean about Italo-Celtic lands. I'm neither bandying empty rhetoric nor courting it, which was rather unfortunate and counterproductive to partake in.

    Only Switzerland, Luxembourg, Belgium, Canada and Ireland are at least partly so, with policies of Italo-Celtic preservation at odds with Germanic preservation and thus, demographically oppositional to Skadi, although their establishments may be perfectly fine for the mission of Stormfront. Perhaps the non-Indogermanic preservationist policies of New Zealand, Finland and Norway would fit The Apricity better likewise.

    That is not to state that I write off the Germanic folks or their lands, only that I support abolitionism of all Italo-Celtic and non-Indogermanic rival establishments frustrating complete and total Germanic lebensraum in our lands. This makes me opposed to the latitudes afforded by SF and TA for non-Germanic diversity of purposes, only wish Skadi didn't treat Ireland and Finland as casualties of war, when they are POWs of enemy combatants not unlike Switzerland, Luxembourg, Belgium and Canada.

    No, I don't think there are the same levels of perverse anti-Germanic preservation policies in all partly non-Germanic lands, nor do I care about respecting foreign agendas in times of war or peace, but whether or not each Germanic folk prefers independent statehood or absorption in the lands of their more powerful Germanic brethren living right beside them, is their prerogative. Swiss are under siege by the Italian, French and Romansh; Luxemburgers, Belgians and Canadians are all thwarted by the French; Irish are plagued by the Gael...New Zealanders face the Austronesian; Österlanders and Norwegians face the Uralic.

    Catholicism I identify with Italo-Celtic agendas and the same for Orthodoxy with Uralics, simply because Protestantism is uniquely Germanic, for the purposes of Christendom (I agree with velvet about Heathenry and would prefer a non-LARPing Heathendom, but we're forced to be pragmatic). Individual spirituality is quite another thing than a confessional marriage of church and state, so I don't judge anybody's conscience in that way and am rather uninterested in Inquisitions of any groups other than the Jew and Mohammedan.

    Please don't mistake my interest in Frisian survival and reunited autonomy with anti-Hochdeutsch sentiment, for I have only believed that Bavaria and Swabia should be enlarged and that their artificial offshoots in Austria and Liechtenstein belong to them who deserve the freedom of sovereignty rather than Plattdeutsch Saxons or anyone else ("Prussians", etc) over them. My only other wishes about Germany were that Ernest Augustus was King of both Great Britain and Ireland as well as Hannover for a continuous Germanic community into the present and not the Victorian succession with her made Empress of India instead as a poor substitution, although a reunited East, West and North Friesland would be a better, more organic land than Hannover or Westphalia in the long run and if English could proactively help Frisians, rather than interventionism in the Third World, it would be a great feeling of redemption from the intermittent Anglo-Frisian-Saxon dynastic reunifications that were finally quit by King George V.

    As for my Anglo-Saxonism in America, I have already postulated limited bilingualism on account of New Netherland, New Sweden and New Brunswick, but not for any Italo-Celtic establishment--people of French, Irish and Scottish descent can speak our tongues (as the Italian and Romansh should do in Switzerland) and be assimilated by osmosis, the same as expected of those with Finnish ancestry. I'm not for the preservation of any other metaethnicities than our Germanic one and don't believe in "Coexistence" except between Germanics.

    Don't mistake or misconstrue my intentions; if you are confused about my statements, I don't mind clarifying them. Obviously, miscommunication is exacerbated by the narratives of ridiculous politics that I don't believe happens to be more important than English nationalism with Germanic interests at heart; forgive me if I don't have a strictly West Germanic agenda in particular even if my autosomal DNA swings my PCA chart mostly to the West and otherwise to the North, in the names of my mother and father whom I will never deny.

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    Why all the confusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Pride View Post
    Were the Vikings a nation?
    No, it's just a name for Scandinavian warriors.

    For example, the Low Germans and Dutch have more in common and are more similar culturally and genetically to each other than they are to the Bavarians or Austrians.
    No, not culturally at any rate - and I'm not even sure about the genetics. Low Germans in Germany haven't spoken genuine Dietsch in ages as well. I don't even consider the Low Germans in Germany properly Low German anymore, unlike my own folk and the Dutch.

    Are the Austrians or Flemish nations of their own, or are they German, respectively Dutch?
    They're German and Dutch subnations, respectively.

    Some people consider the Dutch people to be Germans in denial rather than an ethnicity of their own. But are they really German, or have they been separate for long enough to form a nation of their own?
    Yes, the Dutch split off from the Germans in the 9th century. They're a nation of their own. "Some people" are typically ignorant of continental Germanic history.

    Are the Luxembourgers more German or are they Netherlanders?
    Letzebuergisch and German, at least the Germanic component of Luxembourg. There's nothing Netherlandic (Dutch) about the Luxembourgers and all of the Germanics there are related more to Germans than to the Flemings and the Dutch.

    And what about the Afrikaners? German, Dutch, or a nation of their own?
    A nation of their own, in the same way Anglo-Americans are a nation of their own.

    Are the Alsatians German or French? Again, it depends whom you ask.
    Not really, they're ethnically German - what remains of the Germanic population, that is.

    Baorn's idea to unite Saxons from different countries is not that far-fetched when you think about the Bajuvarians, Alemannics or Frisians.
    It's the most far-fetched madness imaginable, New World fantasies which can only blossom through ignorance about anything European and a desperate desire to connect to something European to fill a hole in the soul. The "Saxons" aren't English, uniting them with the Anglosphere is absolutely absurd. They're just as much German as the Bavarians and Swabians and they're all alien to the Anglosphere. These are not the Saxons of Charlemagne's era anymore. They're Germans now. Anglo-Saxons are not quite the same thing as modern day German Saxons. That's why the English and their off shoots are "Anglo-Saxons".

    Which begs the question, are the Frisians a nation? They have a sub-forum here on Skadi, indicating that their tribal identity would somehow supersede their national identity.
    That could be argued, but as far as I understand the Frisians in Germany have been pretty much assimilated by the Germans. The remaining Frisians, 50.000 of them in the Netherlands, are probably a Dutch subnation rather than a nation of their own.

    Some will agree because like the Saxons, they're a tribe that extends beyond a single country
    Again, there are no more "Saxons" in the same way there are no more Franks. The "Saxons" are Dutch and German. No-one in the Netherlands goes around calling themselves "Saxon", BTW.

    Anyway, in my opinion there are multiple forms of Germanic preservation, whether it's national, tribal, regionalist of pan-Germanic.
    Not all of these forms are equal. Who can say with a straight face that Anglos in California should belong in the same political unit as the "Saxons" in Germany, never mind that they belong to the same nation. And Tribes don't exist anymore, hence tribal preservation doesn't exist. Regional preservation cuts off Germanic people from their nation, see the Alsatians. Pan-Germanicism probably sounds nice to some colonials, but not to us in Europe. Very few of us will sacrifice our nations and their histories for something new and borderline W.N.

    Just because someone is not NS does not make them an enemy of Germanic preservation
    ...but calling most continental Germanics Uralic and Italoceltic does, amongst other things.

    Actually, there are many aspects of NS that aren't exactly the most Germanic and which some members like Dagna pointed out quite well in another thread. History is not black and white and blindly supporting NS and worshipping Hitler like a Messiah is not the most objective view either.
    Libertarians, usually Heathen libertarians on Skadi, but not always, sometimes they're atheist or Christian, may claim that libertarianism is the true Germanic ideology - and then Heathen libertarians point to the Germanic tribes as if these were libertarian too (a Christian libertarian, especially a Catholic libertarian, could point to the Middle Ages as a source of inspiration). As if Germanics should be libertarian - that too is somewhat of an authoritarian attitude. And to continental Germanics American style libertarianism is a rather alien ideology which many of us will associate with bitter poverty and a lack of proper healthcare. What's up with NS aspects not being Germanic anyway? Is it set in stone somewhere that libertarianism is the ideology of Germanics? Was Hermann the German a libertarian? It's kind of assumed by some libertarians on Skadi. And even if NS or any other ideology a person of Germanic descent clings to has some Latin influences, so what? Germanics can be authoritarian and even totalitarian too, why not.

    Instead of burning bridges with fellow Germanic preservationists, those bridges should be built. Intolerance and close mindedness leave us stuck in the past instead of progressing forward.
    Yes, not trying to turn back the clock 1000-1500 years to serve the RPG-fantasies of Anglos who overidentify with Europe or a Europe that has not been for at least the last 1000 years for instance, as is the case in this thread, would be nice. It's just make believe. And it's disrespectful towards other Germanic nations. It's even worse when it comes with land grabbing fantasies. Not denouncing entire Germanic populations as Italoceltics and Uralics would also be great. No religious bigotry and denouncing the lionshare of the history of Germanic nations is recommended as well. As is not forcing libertarianism upon us continentals, as Baorn would in Hannover.
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    Let me begin by thanking the powers that be for retitling this thread split to a proper name. To get my points clear, I will say that I don't believe in the organised governments of the UK, US and Hannover, but I do believe in England having a border with the Scots at the Antonine Wall, Dominions of Wales, Newfoundland, Virginia and New England, with priority to restoring bigoted preferences of all kinds with and for the benefit of Friesland.

    You'd find Wulfhere steered me in this direction by the many good words I witnessed him put in for Mercia and Friesland on Wikipedia and our "Circle of Crust" (props to maineiac for reviving that phrase). I'm sure the reason why Eadric Streona of Mercia defied Wessex and made separate terms with the Danelaw, had everything to do with Winchester's defection to Normandy, so who's the traitor then, especially when the Danelaw just replaced Kent and Wight that the Saxons annexed and basically got us into that mess--in addition to annexing Mercia and overlording Northumbria?! It's a shame that the Jutish kingdom founded by Hengest and Horsa had become lost to us, so the Danes were justified taking East Anglia. Unfortunately, the identity of Angeln likewise fell through the cracks of history because of the warfare by Franks and Saxons necessitating the building of the Danevirke, the Mark of the Danes.

    Only the English and Frisians still remain to be known by our tongues and North Sea Germanic bias of all Ingaevones and it stands to reason that we should shut out all other influences upon us. This means that we Anglos aren't British nationalists, but Ingvaeonicists, to encompass a chiefly Anglo-Frisian diarchy without Scots and Irish; whether Saxons and Jutes could find it within themselves to forsake languages and states foisted upon them is another story and who knows if possible, but we wouldn't put it past them to muster up some form of interest, at least.

    This isn't to deprive an Istvaeonic Netherlands, Irminonic Germany or Scandinavian Denmark (aye, Skadi-Noatun proper is the Danish urheimat) out of lands properly belonging to them, because Anglos should support them getting Flanders (care to also have Jersey and Guernsey?), Elsaß, Skåne and every other rightful "gau" and so, the purpose would be a bit like the Sudetenland request by Hitler, not only regarding metaethnic foreigners, but also reestablished intra-Germanic marches, as they say fences make good neighbours.

    Vikings were originally natives of Viken, owned by Denmark before Hairfair of the Westfold made one Norway--or tried to, because Trųnders wouldn't have it. It's kinda funny how Holland was a republic and Germany was a monarchy, but have since exchanged governments--is either present status quo organic or optimal? I support the reunion of the two Luxemburgs under Frankish rule. My Canadian family only knew the Red Ensign other than the King's Colours, just as my Irish family had the latter with the Green Ensign; no separatist symbolism is helpful and I would even rather just hoist English banners everywhere than insist on any other "metaethnic" representation in government contrary to Anglocentrism.

    Of course, the self-rule by Heptarchy and 13 States is no threat or counterintuitive measure, but a preventative one meant to stave off civil warfare, which afflicted both groups of Angelfolc. I'm a little hazy about Frisian and Jute civil wars, but know that Saxony was severely dismembered by fighting between the Welfs and Wettins, so it's funny that one followed the other on the English throne in the Victorian era between the death of King William IV and accession of King Edward VII. Due to the conflicting metaethnic objectives, it's just more sensible for England to be with Friesland than Scotland and Saxony instead of Ireland and with Jutland instead of Mann, etc. As for WWI & WWII, it's not out of hate for Austria and Germany that I don't support the Central Axis, only that I am actually something of a pacifist and a nationalist, so am supportive of my own kind of Germanic despite preferring no violence whatsoever--"my folk, right or wrong".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Pride View Post
    I also have to agree with Baorn about the attitude towards those who don't support the Axis during WWII. I have experienced it myself and it is rather unpleasant and close minded. Just because someone is not NS does not make them an enemy of Germanic preservation.
    The point is that you, if you root for the Allies, you root for German destruction. This is not about NS, Hitler or whatever else is usually interferred then, it's completely irrelevant whether you like NS/Hitler or not. But maybe it's not a good idea to root for German destruction, and this is what WWI and WWII was all about after all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Churchill
    Germany is becoming too strong, we must crush her. You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or Nationalsocialism, but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless of whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest
    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Churchill
    Germany's unforgiveable crime before WWII was its attempt to loosen its economy out of the world trade system and to build up an independent exchange system from which the world-finance couldnt profit anymore.
    Quote Originally Posted by General J.F.C. Fuller
    Not the political doctrine of Hitler has hurled us into this war. The reason was the success of his increase in building a new economy. The roots of war were envy, greed and fear.
    And a comment by Reverend Ludwig A. Fritsch:
    The bombardement of civil targets was a main focus of Churchill's war policies [Dresden, Rosenheim, Hamburg....watch Hellstorm for reference]. Doesn't one call this targeted genocide?
    The Germans must be angels or saints to forget and forgive, what injustices and cruelties they had to endure twice in one generation, without that they had attacked the allies. If we Americans were treated that way, our acts of revenge for our suffering would know no limits.
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    Actually, there are many aspects of NS that aren't exactly the most Germanic and which some members like Dagna pointed out quite well in another thread.
    And what aspects of NS are "ungermanic"? That the allies wrongly call it "fascist" when it was not, a term that sticks to this day (and unfortunately, even believers in NS occasionally subscribe to this nonsense)?

    But let's see:

    Nationalsocialism is NOT Fascism
    The main difference between NS and Fascism is the role of the State in each system. Fascism is a form of statism. Fascism teaches that the State is primary, and that the state forms the nation. In contrast, NS teaches that the Race/Volk is primary, and that the purpose of the State is to serve the Race/Volk. NS is not totalitarian.

    "The fascist conception of the state is all-embracing: outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have any real worth. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist state - a synthesis and a unit of all values - interprets, develops and potentiates the whole life of a people. It is not the nation that generates the state. Rather it is the state which creates the nation, conferring volition and, therefore, real life on a people. In the fascist conception, the state is an absolute before which individuals and groups are relative."
    ~Benito Mussolini, The Doctrine of Fascism

    "The State is only a means to an end. Its end and its purpose are to preserve and promote a community of human beings who are physically as well as spiritually kindred. States which do not serve this prupose have no justification for their existence. They are monstrosities.
    ~Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
    The highest purpose of the racial state is concern for the preservation of those original racial elements which bestow culture and create the beauty and dignity of a higher humanity. We, as Aryans, can conceive of the state only as the living organism of a people, which not only assures the preservation of this people, but by the development of its spiritual and ideal abilities leads it to the highest freedom. The highest aim of human existence is not preservation of the state, let alone a government, but the preservation of race.
    For in the long run systems of government are not maintained by the pressure of force, but by faith in their soundness and in the truthfulness with which they represent and advance the interests of a people.
    ~Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
    This, btw, are the Fasces that decorate the US Congress:


    And as Chalmers Johnson has pointed out in his book "The Sorrows of Empire", the USA sees itself as a heir to the fascist Roman Empire. With indeed the same expansionist ambitions to global hegemony. The US occupies about 75% (!!!) or the world. Maybe, just maybe, start to criticise the fascist, ungermanic, aggressive, warmongering USA?

    History is not black and white and blindly supporting NS and worshipping Hitler like a Messiah is not the most objective view either.
    And blindly hating NS and Hitler is neither objective nor bridge-building either.
    Interestingly, for those who've been successfully teached to hate NS/Hitler, it's indeed all black and white, they even have the audacity to tell Germans that they are "anti-German" when they're NS, ignoring that "German Socialism" and Blut&Boden are both ideologies that predate Hitler and NS by a hundred years. But we are expected to throw it all off and subscribe to some lofty libtard fake-ideology of self-hate and voluntary self-destruction instead because the Allies and the (((24/7 propaganda))) say so.
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    It was jarring to see the fasces in Congress when I watched some televised session recently, but it must have been copied from France by the Democrats back in Jefferson's administration, since he was a Francophile and participant in their Revolution. The other party has always been Anglophile and in Burkean conservative opposition to Jacobinism, so don't paint us all with the same brush. How about you and us both using the Roman eagle, which we copied from you? We originally had the HRE arms alongside the Belgic lion in addition to the same basic arms later adopted by Canada and seen on the defaced Red Ensign. Canada also chose the maple as based on the original New England pine tree Red Ensign.

    FYI I'm a renegade, as you know, so don't care about enforcing orthodox ideology of any kind, because it's all Greek to me. I'm agnostic and apathetic about most religious, political and economic dogmas, so whatever floats your boat. I'm not impressed with Communism, Fascism or National Socialism; people who believe in cult programming and social engineering are inhumane and repulsive. As I said, a traditional electoral monarchy on the Germanic model, with a warrior aristocracy, is all that's necessary for any folk, as neither despotism nor republicanism are meant to be long-term exercise of authority, any more than war or peace are permanent conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    Perhaps the non-Indogermanic preservationist policies of New Zealand, Finland and Norway would fit The Apricity better likewise.
    Objectively speaking, Finland has one of the most preservationist policies for Germanic language in the World, seeing as less than 5% of its population speaks Swedish as their mother tongue, but 100% of the children going to school are required to learn it.
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