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    Thread split: "Anglosaxonism", should Hannover join the U.K.?

    National Socialism was a failed attempt to triangulate Communism and Fascism in the hands of a single world superpower. Mitteleuropa only had a certain capacity for leveraging dependency status from their centrifugal Axis, both Hitler and Merkel failing to bring everyone into feudal homage. An ideal Germany wouldn't have been touched by either Bismarck, who started WWI or Hitler, who started WWII. The First Reich was no model for Germanic preservation and the Second Reich made former Germanic confederates into enemies, while the Third Reich destroyed the Second while trying to get back the First.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    An ideal Germany wouldn't have been touched by either Bismarck, who started WWI
    You never cease to amaze me. How can anyone with so little knowledge about absolutely anything spurt forth his nonsense with so much confidence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    You never cease to amaze me. How can anyone with so little knowledge about absolutely anything spurt forth his nonsense with so much confidence?
    Bismarck set up simmering resentment between Prussia and various Germanic folks, who were all optimistic about a Germanic future in the wake of the Bonapartes. By double-dealing fellow German kingdoms and bullying them into submission, Bismarck ruined the former goodwill that was the true Zeitgeist of free Germanic folks--self-determination and confederation. You yourself have no love for the way Germany was "joined" as the special preserve of Prussian aggrandisement. This was not just a problem for Bayern and WĆ¼rttemberg, wanting German unity without sacrificing autonomy for Austrian rule. The Wittelsbachs in particular jealously guarded their rights.

    What you obviously don't understand, is that this chafed Germanic folks outside the Second Reich, but whom were comfortable with the Confederation: Nassau, Hannover and Schleswig-Holstein were all cut off from any natural association with the aforementioned non-Reichsdeutsch, whilst Saxony was a mere puppet state of Prussia. I don't think that Austrians are sad that Prussia is gone, for all the hypocrisy on display by that failed state, about progress and Germanic brotherhood under the same roof. It is sad that the foreign name of Prussia came between all West Germanics.

    It's all about the Jews and how Allies were all just pawns? Allies were no more pawns than the Kings of England and of France who did what the FĆ¼hrer could not: expel all Jews or admit them of their own volition. NS-obssessed are so much the pawn of Jews, setting yourself up for a trap right into their hands. I'm not a tool and don't care about what the Jews say. Between your level of butthurt and theirs, the rest of us are bored to distraction. Addressing real issues of cause and effect only works if the audience doesn't hide heads in dark places well out of reason's reach. It's a Zionazi duality and I don't care about padding the hysterics of either.
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    @Rodskarl Dubhgall.

    How can you blame Bismarck for WW1? As a nationalist I can only congratulate him with uniting nearly all members of the German nation - he was an incredibly successful politician. Maybe the greatest continental statesman since Napoleon, to this day.

    Why is German unification more of a cause for WW1 than the unification o thef British isles or France in the centuries before it? Why is it Germany that should've remained carved up? Your desire for a weak and divided Germany marks you as an opponent of the German state and the German people, not for the first time. And since this is the subject you continuously dwell on I sometimes suspect you of having an inferiority complex, it's this chip you carry on your shoulder.

    There would've been no Schlieffenplan if France had not been much bigger than Īle-de-France. Bismarck certainly didn't desire a world war, nor did he start the Anglo-German naval arms race - which was based on a misunderstanding and British paranoia, as Germany itself did not seek to dispute British control over the oceans with its expansion of naval power. If the U.S. had not gotten involved in WW1, partially on behalf of zionists, it would've ended with an armistice without winners. And the U.S. would not have gotten involved if the South had won the American Civil War.
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    I totally didn't direct my third paragraph to Juthunge. It's a compilation of replies to insubstantial mockery by Astragoth.

    Anyway, I don't find National Socialism as integral or especially associated with Germanics, just a reaction to Weimar, intended to meet and surpass the radical revolutionary states of their non-Germanic "frenemies". In my humble opinion, the Cromwellian and Williamite settlements within the overall Dominion-Commonwealth network, are my ideal sense of Germanic establishments. If Germany consisted of co-equal constitutional republics and monarchies in Confederation, I would adore Germany, as I find very much in common with that in the British and American models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    Your desire for a weak and divided Germany marks you as an opponent of the German state and the German people, [...]
    Not picking any side on the matter, but is the division of Germans into separate states necessarily an anti-German cause? Arguably, there's just as much ethnic dissimilarities within modern Germany as there is within modern Scandinavia. Yet no one would claim a divided Scandinavia is 'anti-Scandinavian'. So why is "pro-German-ness" so closely connected with the German unification? Germans obviously knew how to stick together, considering Germany's entrance into WW1 was solely on behalf of helping their German kin in Austria, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    @Rodskarl Dubhgall.

    How can you blame Bismarck for WW1? As a nationalist I can only congratulate him with uniting nearly all members of the German nation - he was an incredibly successful politician. Maybe the greatest continental statesman since Napoleon, to this day.

    Why is German unification more of a cause for WW1 than the unification o thef British isles or France in the centuries before it? Why is it Germany that should've remained carved up? Your desire for a weak and divided Germany marks you as an opponent of the German state and the German people, not for the first time. And since this is the subject you continuously dwell on I sometimes suspect you of having an inferiority complex, it's this chip your carry on your shoulder.

    There would've been no Schlieffenplan if France had not been much bigger than Īle-de-France. Bismarck certainly didn't desire a world war, nor did he start the Anglo-German naval arms race - which was based on a misunderstanding and British paranoia, as Germany itself did not seek to dispute British control over the oceans with its expansion of naval power. If the U.S. had not gotten involved in WW1, partially on behalf of zionists, it would've ended with an armistice without winners. And the U.S. would not have gotten involved if the South had won the American Civil War.
    I would have preferred Zollern Prussia dominate a union with Poland separately, with Hannover and Saxony in a double monarchy in Union with England instead of Scotland and Ireland (India never being an issue in this scenario), Nassau and Schleswig-Holstein belonging to the Netherlands (Benelux minus Wallonia) and Denmark. As for Bavaria and Austria, they should have had the Sudetenland and Tyrol and a double monarchy too, likewise for Württemberg and Liechtenstein a twosome, with all the German cantons of Switzerland. Bismarck alienated pro-German kingdoms who weren't consulted during 'Unification".

    I say as one who preferred Allied victories, that there should have been coexistent West Germanic spheres of influence, respected by both our side and the Axis.

    Axis: Hochdeutsch/Irminonic Bayern with Österreich

    Allies: Plattdeutsch/Ingaevonic Sachsen with England

    I support the peaceful exchange of real estate for the restoration of pre-Carolingian/Ottonian nation-states inside the Germanic metaethnic framework.

    Neither Allies nor Axis were alone in being denied folkishness across artificially erected borders and the only real Final Solution, is for mutual enrichment by these two regions being allowed to have lebensraum upon the same guidelines.

    Similarly, Frankish/Istvaeonic Franken can figure out a settlement with Romance peoples that we should get behind.

    It seems Prussian East Germany is as dead as East Germanic identity, but at least North Germanics can and should be dutifully respected per their own sovereignties.

    Imposed Central administration is a point of contention about the American Civil War, but if Lincoln was evil, why was Bismarck great?

    Once again, you want to trivialise Anglo-Saxonism because of ZOG Boogeyman, but Germany facilitated Zionism and so what if German Jews in Britain and America shared this goal?

    If you can pretend things had to go a certain way, then choke on Weimar and Allied Occupation, because that had to happen too. I'm happy at the attempt of Britain to resurrect Hannover, but would have preferred all three lander of Saxony as its own country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreidar
    Not picking any side on the matter, but is the division of Germans into separate states necessarily an anti-German cause?
    Of course. And if you want to divide Germany in several smaller pieces as a foreigner, you're not doing it out of charity, least of all the person who advocates this policy once more - matters of ethnicity matter less to him than questions of ideology and religion in this regard. It certainly weakens all the Germans.

    Arguably, there's just as much ethnic dissimilarities within modern Germany as there is within modern Scandinavia.
    I would argue against that. But if it's true, then maybe Norway should never have filed for divorce from Eastern Scandinavians, the Swedes? Sweden and Norway didn't become stronger afterwards either. But I bet Norwegians' destiny was already pretty distinct by the time of the separation, otherwise, why do it at all? And not because of foreign pressure either, unlike the Flemings and the Dutch - which are two subnations belonging to a single nation.

    Don't forget all Germans share a common language too, unlike Scandinavians.

    Yet no one would claim a divided Scandinavia is 'anti-Scandinavian'.
    But is there a Scandinavian nation? If so, a disunited Scandinavia is an anti-Scandinavian cause - all the more so from a geopolitical perspective.

    Germans obviously knew how to stick together, considering Germany's entrance into WW1 was solely on behalf of helping their German kin in Austria, no?
    Thanks to Bismarck! Germans didn't necessarily stick together prior to him, that's why for instance Napoleon snowballed through the German states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    Not picking any side on the matter, but is the division of Germans into separate states necessarily an anti-German cause? Arguably, there's just as much ethnic dissimilarities within modern Germany as there is within modern Scandinavia. Yet no one would claim a divided Scandinavia is 'anti-Scandinavian'. So why is "pro-German-ness" so closely connected with the German unification? Germans obviously knew how to stick together, considering Germany's entrance into WW1 was solely on behalf of helping their German kin in Austria, no?
    I agree with the Confederates in America about the nature of the Union. Only the 13, Texas and Hawaii are legit States, on par with the German kingdoms. If Saxony was the German equivalent of England in Britain, the World Wars wouldn't have gone down how they did and we wouldn't be trying to justify Germanic fratricide, while blaming Jews because of not getting our crap together in a sensible fashion. Similarly, Jutland should be the basis of Denmark, Friesland should be the heart of the Netherlands and the Franks for Belgium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    Of course. And if you want to divide Germany in several smaller pieces as a foreigner, you're not doing it out of charity, least of all the person who advocates this policy once more - matters of ethnicity matter less to him than questions of ideology and religion in this regard. It certainly weakens all the Germans.



    I would argue against that. But if it's true, then maybe Norway should never have filed for divorce from Eastern Scandinavians, the Swedes? Sweden and Norway didn't become stronger afterwards either. But I bet Norwegians' destiny was already pretty distinct by the time of the separation, otherwise, why do it at all? And not because of foreign pressure either, unlike the Flemings and the Dutch - which are two subnations belonging to a single nation.

    Don't forget all Germans share a common language too, unlike Scandinavians.



    But is there a Scandinavian nation? If so, a disunited Scandinavia is an anti-Scandinavian cause - all the more so from a geopolitical perspective.



    Thanks to Bismarck! Germans didn't necessarily stick together prior to him, that's why for instance Napoleon snowballed through the German states.
    You have odd ideas about respecting the sovereignties of people doing their own thing. You must be a rabid EU and UN supporter. Why must peoples everywhere be subject to a human pyramid scheme? I agree with British Isles regionalists the same as those who valued their freedoms before Bismarck snatched them away. I don't agree with telling people they're not allowed to have their own government.

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