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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    Are Tyroleans Germanic Italians or Romance Austrians?
    Neither. They are Germanic Austrians who happen to live in modern day Italy. However, South Tyrol is at heart a Germanic territory. South Tyroleans themselves can tell you that:



    Are they not themselves cut off from Germany because of their loyalty to Rome?
    No, they are not. Catholicism has been a stronghold in many Germanic nations at various points in history, including Germany, where Catholics comprise about 30% of the population. And what is Catholicism, but traditional Christianity (catholic = universal). Luther, the father of Protestantism, was originally Catholic himself. The only nation where Catholics and Protestants were ever divided along ethnic lines was Northern Ireland - and yet even there, you will find plenty of exceptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leRoux View Post
    Well it's quite clear that Austrians are almost certainly Levantine invaders posing as Germans. Everyone south of Calais is a nigger.
    Let others comment, lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ítreksjóđ View Post
    Neither. They are Germanic Austrians who happen to live in modern day Italy. However, South Tyrol is at heart a Germanic territory. South Tyroleans themselves can tell you that:




    No, they are not. Catholicism has been a stronghold in many Germanic nations at various points in history, including Germany, where Catholics comprise about 30% of the population. And what is Catholicism, but traditional Christianity (catholic = universal). Luther, the father of Protestantism, was originally Catholic himself. The only nation where Catholics and Protestants were ever divided along ethnic lines was Northern Ireland - and yet even there, you will find plenty of exceptions.
    Would you say Austria remains outside is because of a Wittelsbach vs Habsburg issue? Otherwise, Austria should revert to Bavaria, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    I'm sure some here are well aware of Austrians with Tyrolean ancestry and Tyroleans of Austrian ancestry
    Tyroleans = Austrians. There are no Tyroleans with Italian, or otherwise non-Austrian ancestry. As for Austrians, they are Germans ethnically and culturally speaking.

    admixed peoples like Swiss
    The Swiss are no more or less admixed than your average nationality. Also, Swiss is not an ethnicity. We are ethnically German, or Italian, French or Romansh.

    Luxembourgers
    They are Germans.

    Belgians
    Much like the Swiss, there is no such thing as the Belgian people ethnically speaking. They are either Flemish or Walloon.

    As for the Austrian "nation", it is a relatively modern phenomenon. Austrians considered themselves Germans for the most part of history. The country was called Deutschösterreich traditionally. What is today divided between Austria and Italy used to be called the German Tyrol (Deutschtirol), which includes most of historical Tyrol including the current Austrian state of Tyrol and the present-day Italian province of South Tyrol. Therefore South Tyroleans are Austrian/German, much like the ethnic Germans from the Sudetenland in Czech Republic, the Germans from Bohemia or South Moravia, which were also originally part of Austria.

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    First off: Let's keep this civil. And secondly, we're not debating the "Are German-Swiss/Bavarians/Austrians/South-Tyroleans/Prussians Germanic" story again and anyone doing so beyond any genuine semi-academic interest will find themselves at the receiving end of corresponding consequences as has occurred in the past.

    Regarding the topic/question: There can be no question as to what South Tyroleans are. To illustrate: Some years back the Italians launched a huge scandal because a team of Olympic double lugers from a South Tyrolese valley didn't know the Italian anthem. Their surnames being Plankensteiner and Haselrieder, the angry response from patriotic South Tyroleans was to advice the Italians to first learn to pronounce the names properly and then speak. If that answers the question.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    First off: Let's keep this civil. And secondly, we're not debating the "Are German-Swiss/Bavarians/Austrians/South-Tyroleans/Prussians Germanic" story again and anyone doing so beyond any genuine semi-academic interest will find themselves at the receiving end of corresponding consequences as has occurred in the past.

    Regarding the topic/question: There can be no question as to what South Tyroleans are. To illustrate: Some years back the Italians launched a huge scandal because a team of Olympic double lugers from a South Tyrolese valley didn't know the Italian anthem. Their surnames being Plankensteiner and Haselrieder, the angry response from patriotic South Tyroleans was to advice the Italians to first learn to pronounce the names properly and then speak. If that answers the question.
    I have some Plankenbuehler ancestors from Austria, but wonder if they might have been Tyroleans because of the name Plankensteiner there, or whether these are generally found in Austria and Bavaria.

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    The North is more Germanic than the rest of the country, but there isn’t a massive divide both culturally and genetically. I’d say the Germanicness can be seen but, isn’t a large factor.

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