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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley View Post
    These antibody tests aren't perfect. What they show is whether someone has antibodies in their blood that bind the virus. It doesn't mean they were necessarily formed in response to infection form the virus though. They could've been from infection with, for example, one of the common cold coronaviruses, or even from an altogether different exposure that just so happened to produce antibodies that bind to the virus in a test tube. Also, I'd have to read the details of this particular study, but I know the recent one from Stanford that had similar findings had recruited volunteer samples, which is a non-random sampling of the population made up of people who almost certainly would be more likely to have been infected than the average person, with their interest in getting tested probably in many cases being a result of having recently had symptoms.

    But even if 0.4% is the true mortality rate, I already explained in my last post why that's not evidence that current public health intervention has been excessive, principally in relation to the objective measures that we have that show the impact of the virus in the places that have been hardest hit. Moreover, you keep touting this 0.4% mortality as if it's a number you arrived at from your own understanding of what, virology and epidemiology? It rather seems more like you had a preconceived notion and you're now, with this, picking and choosing a headline that would support it, without actually understanding what it means.

    It's one thing to argue that any authoritarian governmental action, such as we're seeing with this pandemic, is wrong. If one sincerely believes that, they are being consistent when they decry lockdown measures. I also wouldn't have a problem if someone thought that the response to a pandemic should always be to let it run its natural course, even at 90% mortality; I mean, I would consider it to be a dumb stance, but not inherently fraudulent in any way. But to argue against current public health interventions when it's argued from the standpoint that one has some understanding of the nature of the particular pathogen and its effects, and that that's how they've determined a lockdown is unnecessary - well, that's just pretentious nonsense.
    Nope. Your are wrong. And right.

    The issue is not public health. Alone, that is. It is the sum of all effects that we can expect from a) the virus itself and b) of the measures taken against it. They have to be balanced and weighed against each other.

    From what we can see now Covid-19 is like a bad flu season. The economic disaster looming on the horizon is the storm of the century. Guess which is worse?

    It is the fact that people like Boris Johnson cannot do that comparison that leads me to see him as a dangerous clown. Trump seems to be a bit better.

    Leaving this pandemic to a bunch of peoples whose only goal is to prevent as many deaths from Covid-19, or to "stop" the virus, will lead to disaster. It is clear that the healthcare profession is not capable of seeing the whole spectrum of issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    From what we can see now Covid-19 is like a bad flu season. The economic disaster looming on the horizon is the storm of the century. Guess which is worse?
    The worst flu season in Sweden the last five years, was the one in 2017/18, which took around 1012 lives. The deaths directly attributed to Covid-19 in Sweden so far, is nearly twice that. And people only started dying here about a month ago. So I think it's fair to assume that Covid-19 is at least four times as deadly as a bad flu season. And this is with certain countermeasures implemented (closing of high-schools and universities, social distancing, hospitals being on high alert, and people generally taking more precautions).

    What is worse between letting thousands of people die, who could have been saved, and an economic collapse? Hard to say. I guess it depends on individual priorities. Personally, I'd rather have my grandparents around for a few more years, than landing a cushy job with a nice salary. Immigration will also decrease as a result of economic downfall, which in Sweden's case likely means a couple of hundred fewer rapes a year. Is that worse or better than the likely increase in deaths of despair that will result from the economy doing worse? A decrease in GDP doesn't automatically translate into "worse", even without Covid-19.
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    Silicon Valley has scrubbed the Web of most coronavirus criticism, so it's practically impossible to find any skepticism about its seriousness. In fact, there's only a claimed series of deaths of doubters. That actually makes it look like either people are being killed for questioning it, or those are also manufactured narratives. "Don't tempt fate, just give up your rights..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    The worst flu season in Sweden the last five years, was the one in 2017/18, which took around 1012 lives. The deaths directly attributed to Covid-19 in Sweden so far, is nearly twice that. And people only started dying here about a month ago. So I think it's fair to assume that Covid-19 is at least four times as deadly as a bad flu season. And this is with certain countermeasures implemented (closing of high-schools and universities, social distancing, hospitals being on high alert, and people generally taking more precautions).

    What is worse between letting thousands of people die, who could have been saved, and an economic collapse? Hard to say. I guess it depends on individual priorities. Personally, I'd rather have my grandparents around for a few more years, than landing a cushy job with a nice salary. Immigration will also decrease as a result of economic downfall, which in Sweden's case likely means a couple of hundred fewer rapes a year. Is that worse or better than the likely increase in deaths of despair that will result from the economy doing worse? A decrease in GDP doesn't automatically translate into "worse", even without Covid-19.
    In the U.S. the projections are now for an unemployment of 32%. Other commentators have, very casually, mentioned figures around 40%. During the Great Depression that figure was less 25%.

    https://nypost.com/2020/03/31/federa...o-coronavirus/

    So what we are seeing now is shaping up to be the greatest economic disaster in modern history. Do you really think that this is about you landing a cushy job or not? It's between you eating or not, whether you have a house to live in or not.

    It is very important to understand that there will not be any "restarting" of the economy. The jobs that are now gone will not come back just because Trump or Macron says it OK to go shopping. The businesses will be gone. The business owners will in many cases be in personal bankruptcy. The uncertainty will be too great, everyone talking about the second wave, about the third ware. Few will be willing to make any substantial investments in small businesses for a few years. People will be too scared now to even go outside. It will be a long, long process of rebuilding the economy. The only thing that saved the world from the Great Depression was that WWII restarted the economy. And that took ten years. This could very well last for the rest of your life.

    Sure, in Europe we have a social and economic safety net. But do you seriously think that such a net can carry 20, 30, or 40 percent unemployment? In the other Nordic countries economic activity has now dropped by about 70%.

    The UN is now projecting mass starvation in large parts of the developing world, i.e. Africa. Where do you think all those starving masses will aspire to come?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...virus-pandemic

    The only silver lining to this cloud is that it will, finally, make mass immigration unbearable to the masses.

    A bad flu is like the 1957 pandemic that caused between 1 and 2 million deaths when world population was about half of what it is today. And that is as bad as this will get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    So what we are seeing now is shaping up to be the greatest economic disaster in modern history. Do you really think that this is about you landing a cushy job or not? It's between you eating or not, whether you have a house to live in or not.
    Houses will not disappear, and I don't see the banks seizing people's property for failure to make payments on their loans. Not in Scandinavia, anyhow. Crops will continue to grow, and we'll have plenty of unemployed young people do to the harvesting. There has long been concerns about low national self-sustainability in food-production. This is a golden opportunity to make headway on that issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    It is very important to understand that there will not be any "restarting" of the economy. The jobs that are now gone will not come back just because Trump or Macron says it OK to go shopping. The businesses will be gone. The business owners will in many cases be in personal bankruptcy. The uncertainty will be too great, everyone talking about the second wave, about the third ware. Few will be willing to make any substantial investments in small businesses for a few years. People will be too scared now to even go outside. It will be a long, long process of rebuilding the economy. The only thing that saved the world from the Great Depression was that WWII restarted the economy. And that took ten years. This could very well last for the rest of your life.
    The Great Depression set into motion a lot of different socio-political movements around the World. Specifically one in the '30s comes to mind.

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    Sure, in Europe we have a social and economic safety net. But do you seriously think that such a net can carry 20, 30, or 40 percent unemployment?
    No.

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    The UN is now projecting mass starvation in large parts of the developing world, i.e. Africa. Where do you think all those starving masses will aspire to come?
    What's the alternative? The African continent keep getting aid from the West to sustain their insane breeding project, and keep growing their numbers ever greater? They will always try to get to Europe. I'd rather have their food supply run dry now than in 50 years' time, when they're twice or thrice as many.

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    The only silver lining to this cloud is that it will, finally, make mass immigration unbearable to the masses.
    Shouldn't that be our #1 priority, over almost anything else? We've been hoping for such a moment our entire lives. Now it's here, and some people are still not happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    A bad flu is like the 1957 pandemic that caused between 1 and 2 million deaths when world population was about half of what it is today. And that is as bad as this will get.
    Out of the around 190,000 deaths so far, around 90% have come in the last month. The curve is still pointing straight up, in a global perspective, and all of this is happening under strict countermeasures in most countries. It's not the flu, bro.
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    How much will it really help the economy to lift lockdown orders when social distancing alone is tanking Sweden's GDP?

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    https://www.investors.com/politics/e...rone-missiles/

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    Once somebody gets told by a drone to give up his 1st Amendment rights to freedom of speech, religion and assembly, it won't matter that he is threatened with a fine for not social distancing. He will take up his 2nd Amendment right to bear arms and blow the drones away. After the Groid riots and police murders of 2015, the government will use risks to the police force in this police state and the fake coronavirus to justify drone strikes on American citizens, as Obama and Holder refused to abide by the Constitution and Bill of Rights when pressed by Rand Paul and Ted Cruz. It's eye-opening to see James Comey was involved.

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    China furious as leading German newspaper writes out £130BN bill for 'coronavirus damages'



    GERMANY has rattled China by joining the UK, France and the US in a rare attack, after Berlin called out Beijing's responsibility for the global pandemic and a leading newspaper issued a £130bn invoice.

    Germany has sparked outrage in China after a Bild, the tabloid newspaper in the country, put together a £130bn invoice that Beijing "owes" Berlin following the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. Germany has followed France, the UK and the US in directing its coronavirus anger at China, where the virus originated. Recent attacks come amid findings that Beijing appeared to cover up the true scale of the crisis, as the source of the outbreak remains a mystery.

    On Saturday, Donald Trump warned that China should face consequences if it was “knowingly responsible” for unleashing the coronavirus pandemic.

    President Trump told reporters: "It could have been stopped in China before it started and it wasn’t, and the whole world is suffering because of it.

    “If it was a mistake, a mistake is a mistake. But if they were knowingly responsible, then there should be consequences.

    He said the Chinese were “embarrassed” and the question was whether what happened with the coronavirus was “a mistake that got out of control, or was it done deliberately?”

    President Trump and his senior aides have repeatedly accused China of lacking transparency.

    And German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said: “I believe the more transparent China is about the origin story of the virus, the better it is for everyone in the world in order to learn from it.”

    This week the city of Wuhan, where the outbreak started, revised its number of fatalities by with a sudden 50% jump in the figure.

    The UK has joined US intelligence officials in investigating claims that the virus originated in a Wuhan virus lab and not a wet market.

    A bombshell op-ed this week in Germany's largest tabloid newspaper, Bild, joined this outrage by drawing up an itemised invoice for €149bn (£130b).

    The list includes a €27 billion charge for lost tourism revenue, up to €7.2 billion for the German film industry, a million euros an hour for German airline Lufthansa and €50 billion for German small businesses.

    Bild calculated that this amounts to €1,784 (£1,550) per person if Germany's GDP falls by 4.2 percent, under the title "What China owes us."

    China responded by claiming the invoice "stirs up xenophobia and nationalism".

    Express.co.uk

    Coronavirus: Locked-down Miami goes seven weeks without a homicide for first time since 1957



    Violent crime is down in many cities, but up in Chicago

    Stay-at-home orders have caused a sharp drop in violent crime across many of America’s cities, with some stark new modern records being set.

    Police in Miami, Florida, have revealed that there have been no homicides for seven weeks - the longest run without one since 1957.

    "We can say that it's due to our police high visibility, attributed with the pandemic and the Stay At Home order," a Miami Police Department spokesperson said.

    The mayor, Francis Suarez, declared a state of emergency on March 12 to slow the spread of the virus, an order that has since been extended six times in week-long increments.

    From February 17 until April 12 there were no homicides reported, making it the city’s best run since 1957 when it went 9 weeks and 3 days without any reported homicides.

    And while domestic violence and child abuse cases are also down, the police chief said he’s concerned about underreporting of cases by people while they’re locked down in close proximity to each other.

    Baltimore and New York have also seen clear drops in violent crime.

    However robberies and shootings are up in Chicago.

    "We're fighting the pandemic, and we're fighting the epidemic," said Chicago’s Tony Raggs, from the Alliance of Local Service Organizations. "The epidemic being violence."

    Source: Independent
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    All the most recent stuff:

    Silicon Valley is profiting from this and Bill Gates is leading the way as Microsoft, Google and Facebook manufacture truth in our era all the while cataloging and tagging the global population as predicted in The X-Files. Lew Rockwell, Ron Paul and Alex Jones are the go-to men for what they don't want you to know. Especially intriguing is the trade war and failed economics as catalytic for a convenient pandemic. Boomers are responsible for both the rise of soft tech and healthcare as pillars of the economy, so they're responsible for what is going on.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-cross-warning

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