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    Quote Originally Posted by Þoreiðar View Post
    I have a hard time believing that. Do you know of any studies or other references on the matter?
    I can try to find out. Still keep in minds ... with Finns blood I did't meant ''strange Finno-Ugric genes'' ... just overall Finns blood ... which is in the end 95% - 93% European. So that tells basically only that some mixing has happened in history, not much more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    Note that tests will define the "Siberian" component differently, depending on the reference source. 10% Siberian genetically doesn't mean 10% "Mongoloid" (that's a term from physical anthropology and doesn't make sense here, btw) or 10% East Asian-like in most tests because Siberian peoples are partly European-like genetically themselves.

    Overall Finns, despite their admixture, still cluster, by far, closest to other Europeans.

    See for example this recent study: Genes reveal traces of common recent demographic history for most of the Uralic-speaking populations


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    Now it's time for me to admit that I was busting Finnish Swede's balls a little by playing the Devil's advocate, cherry-picking the most deviantly maxed out Finnish test that I could find.

    Finns do have East Eurasian admixture nevertheless, but probably not 10% like you say. It differs depending on the calculator used indeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Þoreiðar View Post
    I have a hard time believing that. Do you know of any studies or other references on the matter?
    Well, Swedes from Götaland have no traceable Finnish ancestry and they are the most populous, making up half of all Swedes. So they hardly make up an "exception" as she almost put it. Also, regions in Norrland like Härjedalen, Jämtland and even some in southern Lappland don't have it either.

    Finnish ancestry is best measured by using the Fennoscandian component on Eurogenes K36. Swedes with "no" Finnish get 15%, so anything above that would indicate some Finnish ancestry. Most places in Svealand score more.

    East Finnish and South Swedish K36 for reference:

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    Three Swedes from Svealand, Uppsala and Dalarna:

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    Compare to a 50% Finnish and 50% Swedish:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Þoreiðar View Post
    I have a hard time believing that. Do you know of any studies or other references on the matter?
    Sorry, I can not find that now (easily anyway). So maybe I just heard it via forums etc. So it can be a'la: horse mouth talks ... so took/cut it away from my original post.
    Anyway ... I still believe that original Scania Swedes (like my dad) have least Finnish influence (vice verse) than Swedish someway northern. Thinking about map ... that feels pretty natural.

    But here is some information about Finns and Swedes. 2. link/study is pretty long...
    https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/s..._finns/5321433

    https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/14925484.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthWestEuropean View Post
    Now it's time for me to admit that I was busting Finnish Swede's balls a little by playing the Devil's advocate, cherry-picking the most deviantly maxed out Finnish test that I could find.
    At first, I don't have balls. Secondly I don't care that much Finns genetics.

    Summer 2018 I was travelling in Eastern part of Finland (first time ever) and I could't understand/follow local people speeches (they have very strong dialects ... Karelians & Savonians).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    At first, I don't have balls. Secondly I don't care that much Finns genetics.

    Summer 2018 I was travelling in Eastern part of Finland (first time ever) and I could't understand/follow local people speeches (they have very strong dialects ... Karelians & Savonians).
    Maybe the biggest argument against mixing with Finns is that it would be evil to invoke "trollable" genes on your children, which the Finns have had for 200 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthWestEuropean View Post
    Maybe the biggest argument against mixing with Finns is that it would be evil to invoke "trollable" genes on your children, which the Finns have had for 200 years.
    LOL. Believe me they have faced much worse, and so are my own ancestors with them (from mothers side).

    But yes; one of the reason (there are few others too) why I want to commit to my own people (''Scandinavians'') ... is the fact that all of us (here in Northern Europe) are facing huge troubles in future (via our low birth rates & immigration). I don't want that my ancestors or their culture will be forgotten. Now being in Sweden ... I also notice the same via my grandparents. They don't have many grandchildren ... and if I can understand anything bases on humans faces / body language... they hope it could be differently.

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