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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    I have a hard time believing that. Do you know of any studies or other references on the matter?
    I can try to find out. Still keep in minds ... with Finns blood I did't meant ''strange Finno-Ugric genes'' ... just overall Finns blood ... which is in the end 95% - 93% European. So that tells basically only that some mixing has happened in history, not much more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    Note that tests will define the "Siberian" component differently, depending on the reference source. 10% Siberian genetically doesn't mean 10% "Mongoloid" (that's a term from physical anthropology and doesn't make sense here, btw) or 10% East Asian-like in most tests because Siberian peoples are partly European-like genetically themselves.

    Overall Finns, despite their admixture, still cluster, by far, closest to other Europeans.

    See for example this recent study: Genes reveal traces of common recent demographic history for most of the Uralic-speaking populations


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    Now it's time for me to admit that I was busting Finnish Swede's balls a little by playing the Devil's advocate, cherry-picking the most deviantly maxed out Finnish test that I could find.

    Finns do have East Eurasian admixture nevertheless, but probably not 10% like you say. It differs depending on the calculator used indeed.

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    I have a hard time believing that. Do you know of any studies or other references on the matter?
    Well, Swedes from Götaland have no traceable Finnish ancestry and they are the most populous, making up half of all Swedes. So they hardly make up an "exception" as she almost put it. Also, regions in Norrland like Härjedalen, Jämtland and even some in southern Lappland don't have it either.

    Finnish ancestry is best measured by using the Fennoscandian component on Eurogenes K36. Swedes with "no" Finnish get 15%, so anything above that would indicate some Finnish ancestry. Most places in Svealand score more.

    East Finnish and South Swedish K36 for reference:

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    Three Swedes from Svealand, Uppsala and Dalarna:

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    Compare to a 50% Finnish and 50% Swedish:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    I have a hard time believing that. Do you know of any studies or other references on the matter?
    Sorry, I can not find that now (easily anyway). So maybe I just heard it via forums etc. So it can be a'la: horse mouth talks ... so took/cut it away from my original post.
    Anyway ... I still believe that original Scania Swedes (like my dad) have least Finnish influence (vice verse) than Swedish someway northern. Thinking about map ... that feels pretty natural.

    But here is some information about Finns and Swedes. 2. link/study is pretty long...
    https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/s..._finns/5321433

    https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/14925484.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthWestEuropean View Post
    Now it's time for me to admit that I was busting Finnish Swede's balls a little by playing the Devil's advocate, cherry-picking the most deviantly maxed out Finnish test that I could find.
    At first, I don't have balls. Secondly I don't care that much Finns genetics.

    Summer 2018 I was travelling in Eastern part of Finland (first time ever) and I could't understand/follow local people speeches (they have very strong dialects ... Karelians & Savonians).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    At first, I don't have balls. Secondly I don't care that much Finns genetics.

    Summer 2018 I was travelling in Eastern part of Finland (first time ever) and I could't understand/follow local people speeches (they have very strong dialects ... Karelians & Savonians).
    Maybe the biggest argument against mixing with Finns is that it would be evil to invoke "trollable" genes on your children, which the Finns have had for 200 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthWestEuropean View Post
    Maybe the biggest argument against mixing with Finns is that it would be evil to invoke "trollable" genes on your children, which the Finns have had for 200 years.
    LOL. Believe me they have faced much worse, and so are my own ancestors with them (from mothers side).

    But yes; one of the reason (there are few others too) why I want to commit to my own people (''Scandinavians'') ... is the fact that all of us (here in Northern Europe) are facing huge troubles in future (via our low birth rates & immigration). I don't want that my ancestors or their culture will be forgotten. Now being in Sweden ... I also notice the same via my grandparents. They don't have many grandchildren ... and if I can understand anything bases on humans faces / body language... they hope it could be differently.

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    Paternally, Finnish have a Northwestern Chinese haplogroup (N) and Chinese have a Southeastern Kvenish haplogroup (O). That is to say, the two names are as much of common origin as their genes, no matter maternal autosomal admixtures far apart from each other caused by migrations. It's the same kind of similarity and difference between Indogermanic R males and Amerindian Q males both sons of a P father, or European I males and Arabian J males likewise being brothers.

    There's a complete maternal divergence despite paternal unity across time and space, with similar names alluding to mutual origins. On the haplogroup tree, Kvenish N and Chinese O belong with Amerindian Q and Indogermanic R (highest R1a in Poland, R1b in Ireland and R2a in Nepal), while Caucasian/Georgian G and Dravidian/Sri Lankan H belong with Eurabian IJ (European I and Arabian J). Autosomal admixtures really do produce striking differences in phenotypes, some of which appear to have become stabilized mutations identifiable by regional distribution. If not for admixtures by sexual selection, there'd be a lot less genetic distance between the various haplogroup fraternities.

    As for Mongoloids, that only really includes the Turks, because only Mongolia and Kazakhstan share haplogroup C in abundance, whereas other parts of Turkestan and Turkey rather reflect the basic diversity of Scythia and Anatolia preceding Turkish and Mongolian dominations. The only other extant Eurasian haplogroup of any real degree on a national level is Melanesian S, in New Guinea, which may be Australoid. Japanese are haplogroup D, which is actually closest to African E and that makes me kind of smirk because of Hitler's haplogroup being E, along with the Axis relationship conferring some honorary Aryan status upon "blood brothers" by DE haplogroup, ahem. P.S. Sudanese A are really the only non-E Africans and that wraps up global diversity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    Paternally, Finnish have a Northwestern Chinese haplogroup (N) and Chinese have a Southeastern Kvenish haplogroup (O).
    Isn't it a bit unreasonable to call haplogroup N "Chinese" when it originated in Asia around 35,000 years ago? Comparably, haplogroup R also originated in Asia, but much later - only 27,000 years ago. The majority of West-European males belong to either R1a or R1b. Do we call these haplogroups "Chinese" as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    Isn't it a bit unreasonable to call haplogroup N "Chinese" when it originated in Asia around 35,000 years ago? Comparably, haplogroup R also originated in Asia, but much later - only 27,000 years ago. The majority of West-European males belong to either R1a or R1b. Do we call these haplogroups "Chinese" as well?
    If Kvenish and Chinese are obviously etymologically sound, with common genetics, why not acknowledge the full extent of the Sinosphere, or look at it as a Kvenosphere from the other POV? It is true that R is the source of Indogermanic ethnolinguistics, over the basic I native European population that you belong to. That is to say, you properly descend from the West Eurasian population of Old Europe, which more properly is Eurabian IJ, inclusive of Arabian J, but also Georgian G and Sri Lankan H. I've no phobia about my lineage being closer paternally to Amerindian Q, or Kvens and Chinese, all being East Eurasian, or Indochinese into the Americas.

    Facts about biology don't hurt my feelings and you should be grateful that you are an absolutely native European going back to the Northern Megalithic culture, but be more realistic about the facts of the Bronze Age transformation. Yes, Irish and Polish forefathers were Steppe conquerors whose most closest lineage is Nepali, or else Indogermanic wouldn't exist. Germanic actually seems to be the heart of R1 populations, between Poland and Ireland, so it's not like Nazi Germany got their racial concepts wrong at all. Yes, Germanics rightfully could fly swastika or hakenkreuz flags in common R fashion with our R2 Nepali cousins and it's clear that the "victims" of Germanics in Poland and Ireland are natural satellites of our lebensraum.

    What the haplogroup tree does, is prove relative differences between the orientations and biases of mass populations. It's interesting to see how Dravidians fit alongside Caucasians in the pre-Bronze Age Arabian and European world, lending credibility to all migratory theories before genetics tested burials verifying archęology. Why is it necessary for anyone to pretend he doesn't belong to his patrimony, just because his autosomal admixture has shifted maternal attachments elsewhere? For instance, Hispanics are culturally Indogermanic R by their fathers, but even if their mothers make them mestizos, their maternal grandfathers on the eve of Columbus would have been Amerindian Q, so reconstituting the original Siberian P population from which Q and R descend apart from all other populations.

    Hence, the Americas are surprisingly unified despite apparent diversity (notwithstanding E in Haiti and Guyana/Suriname). For myself, my Norwegian R1a makes me a minority in this R1b part of the world, but if I was in the East Baltic and Caspian, I would be among closer kin. I can say this despite the fact my family has lived in the Isles for several hundred years, knowing as I do that our subclade is sown seed throughout the former Norse sphere of influence and that itself is only a variant of points farther East. Kvenish folk don't need the self-loathing you expect should be normative, nor should Chinese find them revolting, when the only legit Mongoloids are C haplogroup and both are closer to Q West Indians and R East Indians as well as S Australoids than Mongols and Turks. Funny how blanket categorization by continental geography doesn't match races all that conveniently. The weirdest is Japanese D being from quasi-Afroasiatic DE, of all populations thought to be purely "out of Africa", so we shouldn't look to them for a racial purity model, lol.

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    Sorry, Rodskarl, but I genuinely have absolutely no idea what you're on about.
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