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    London rejects permission for Scotland's second independence referendum demand


    PM Boris Johnson has rejected SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon’s request for a second Scottish independence referendum, claiming it “would continue the political stagnation that Scotland has seen for the last decade."



    Sturgeon - the first minister of Scotland - is on record as saying that she wants to hold a second referendum later this year, believing that she has a mandate following the 2019 general election that saw her party win 48 of the 59 seats in Scotland.



    However, in a letter to Sturgeon, published on social media on Tuesday, Johnson contended that she and her predecessor promised that the 2014 independence referendum would be a “once in a generation vote.”


    ...another independence referendum would continue the political stagnation that Scotland has seen for the last decade





    Sturgeon made a formal request last month for the UK government to transfer powers to the devolved Scottish Parliament that would ensure any second referendum was legal.


    She argues that a second independence referendum is justified due to the UK's decision to leave the EU, which represents a "material change" in the relationship between Scotland and the UK. In the aftermath of the SNP’s impressive showing in the general election in December, Sturgeon reaffirmed her ambition for Scotland to break away from the union.


    People in Scotland have made it very clear they didn't want Boris Johnson as prime minister and the don't want Brexit, and they want Scotland's future in Scotland's hands.




    The poor scottish people.... They want to escape one overlord to be dominated by another, i.e. the European Union or EUSSR.



    Time to call Mel Gibson.




    London rejects permission for Scotland's second independence referendum demand
    14 I 2020.


    At will the Globalists fly the flag of Nationalism or Internationalism, which ever is opportune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagdmesser View Post
    At will the Globalists fly the flag of Nationalism or Internationalism, which ever is opportune.
    They'll fly any flag.... And they got more turncoats in tow than is normal for a population.

    Also think of the manufactured "Colour Revolutions".

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    The SNP paradox


    The SNP paradox - they campaign as national populists, but govern as cosmopolitan technocrats. It can’t last.



    The rise of the Scottish National Party has been remarkable. In the recent UK
    General Election, it won 48 of the 59 seats in Scotland (albeit with only 45 per cent of the vote). Back in 2010, the SNP won just six seats, compared to the Labour Party’s 41. In 2019, Labour won only one seat. In this respect, we can see that the SNP has replaced Labour as the dominant party in Scotland – no mean feat for a group of politicians who not so long ago were known as the Tartan Tories.



    In part, the SNP’s rise can be explained by the collapse of the once distinct political outlooks of left and right. The Labour Party no longer represents labouring people and there is no labour movement, as such, for Labour to represent. In many respects, the Labour Party is past its sell-by date (as are the Tories) and this has provided the space for an alternative to emerge. In Scotland, unfortunately, this alternative came in the form of the SNP. At a time when there are few big ideas in politics, the SNP has one defining idea – that Scotland could genuinely be different by going for independence from the UK.



    The SNP now presents itself in a more social-democratic, leftist way than it once did. It has also harnessed the anti-Tory sentiment that is common up north through the relentless condemnation of all things ‘Westminster’. The political chasm between the voters and the almost alien world occupied by politicians is reframed as a purely geographical problem, as something stemming from the toffs down south.


    As a Brexiteer and a democrat who lives in Scotland, I found the success of the SNP in the last election frustrating. Boris Johnson’s Tories won in England and Wales under a pro-Brexit, pro-democracy banner. But in Scotland, the SNP won with an overtly anti-democratic ‘Stop Brexit’ campaign.




    But despite their recent successes, the Scot Nats should be wary of resting on their laurels. There are many contradictions within the SNP project, which, if they were to properly come to the surface, could be the party’s undoing.


    Writers examining the rise of populism and the new divisions in contemporary politics have identified three new areas of conflict. First, the rise of technocratic governance, which clashes with demands for popular democracy. Secondly, the rise of the supranational, as opposed to the nation. And lastly, the clash between cosmopolitanism and community. To a great extent, the SNP presents itself as being on the side of popular democracy, the nation and the community. But in reality, it is far more representative of the global, cosmopolitan, technocratic new elite.



    The SNP represents the new technocratic elite as much as – if not more than – any other UK political party. You see this in the Scottish Parliament in Holyrood, where the SNP has been in government since 2007. The SNP MSP’s comfort zone is the committee room, sitting with like-minded lawyers, heads of charities, academics and experts, formulating policies in an echo chamber, at a distance from the electorate.


    But at the same time as being part of this aloof class of technocrats, the SNP claims to be the voice of the people, defending popular democracy against those in ‘Westminster’ who suffocate the voice of Scotland. The SNP tries to promote the idea of nationhood, and to engage with a national desire for more control over the country. It pretends to represent democracy and freedom, promising a vision of a new nation built upon the sovereignty of the Scottish people, breaking from the shackles of Tory England.



    This is all totally unconvincing – not least because the SNP is wedded to the European Union, a supranational bureaucracy that undermines national sovereignty. Indeed, leading SNP figures, such as MEP Alyn Smith, portray the EU in the most remarkable, Disneyfied way imaginable, in which the EU is responsible for everything from world peace to workers’ rights. The SNP is among the most pro-EU political parties in the UK. This is strange considering the party is meant to be about nationhood and taking back national control for the Scottish people. With its craven love of all things Brussels, the SNP is the least convincing national independence movement in the history of national independence movements.



    Similarly, the SNP is able to tap into a sense of community, of tradition and commonality, between people. David Goodhart’s idea of the ‘Somewheres’ captures this sentiment well. Many SNP supporters want a sense of belonging, of groundedness to a certain place, and of Scottishness. But at the same time, SNP MPs, MEPs and MSPs seem deeply uncomfortable and suspicious of the people of Scotland – a fear and loathing of ordinary people that is shared across the global cosmopolitan elite.


    SNP politicians are chronically politically correct, prone to looking down their noses at ordinary people, and always on the lookout for new laws and regulations to control people’s speech and personal lives and relationships (see the now-defunct Named Person legislation or the recent smacking ban).



    These contradictions are yet to play out properly, but there is a growing sense of confusion about what the party is for. For example, many SNP supporters and voters hate the politically correct, nanny-state dimension of the SNP. The party has a tendency to patronise the public and to interfere in their daily lives (their drinking, eating and parenting habits and use of language), and this aggravates many people. There is also a sense of frustration among Scotland’s voters about the poor state of many public services that the SNP is responsible for, from education to health and policing.



    At the moment, the SNP has managed to avoid confronting these contradictions. SNP politicians stand for election as populists shouting ‘power to the people’, while running Scotland through committees and experts. The party campaigns for an ‘independent’ Scotland, but one that will be subsumed into the European Union. And it stands as a defender of democracy, while pushing the anti-democratic policy of stopping Brexit.


    The SNP has benefited from the collapse of both the Tories and Labour in Scotland. It acts as a kind of anti-matter, feeding off the end of class politics and masquerading as the people’s party. Logically, the many contradictions of the SNP should result in a split, or the emergence of new political parties. For the people of Scotland, let’s hope so.


    Stuart Waiton is a sociology and criminology lecturer at Abertay University in Dundee.




    This article is a reasonable summary of the contradictory nature of the SNP. It’s probably been fifty, or more, years since they fitted the soubriquet of ‘tartan Tories’, and maybe not even then. These days they’re intolerably woke, and insufferably authoritarian. They pose as woad-daubed inheritors of Wallace – determined to throw off the English yoke and usher in ‘FREEEEEEDOM!’ – and at the same time never miss an opportunity to attempt to micromanage the existence of the citizens of Scotland.



    That the SNP regard remaining in the EU as being independent just makes them ridiculous.



    the SNP are appalling – woke authoritarians of the very worst sort, who can’t run effective public services to save themselves.




    The SNP paradox - spiked

    28 I 2020.
    Where does this separatism and independence begin and end? Catalonia, Paris and the Yellow Vests, muslim ghettos, etc.


    There's always the Army option.



    The leading EuroRats in Brussels bribe, tutor and manage the SNP in order to make Brexit difficult and a one off, which it won’t be.

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    Nicola Sturgeon humiliated: SNP’s embarrassing Brexit stunt exposed by baffled EU


    Nicola Sturgeon humiliated: SNP’s embarrassing Brexit stunt exposed by baffled EU




    NICOLA STURGEON has been left red-faced after it emerged the Scottish Nationalist Party paid for a "Scotland Loves Europe" symbol to be projected on the European commission headquarters - despite hinting it was arranged by Brussels.



    The SNP admitted it hired Double Take Projections, based in Edinburgh, to set up the display, which showed the EU headquarters emblazoned with a neon blue and red light symbol. The lights projection featured a red heart in place of the letter ‘o’ in a cross-section of the words ‘Europe’ and ‘
    Scotland’.




    The news will cause embarrassment for SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon, who implied that the EU had set up the display, claiming the bloc had “left a light on” for Scotland in the wake of Brexit. Tweeting an image of the building lit up, she wrote: “The EU Commission building in Brussels tonight (and if you look carefully you’ll see that they do appear to have left a light on for us!)" Her statement was echoed by Peter Grant, Treasury spokesman for the SNP and former Europe spokesman at Westminster, who tweeted: “What a strange thing to do for a European commission that Labour and the Tories say doesn’t want Scotland back in.”


    But a Commission spokesman said the EU was “obviously” not “involved in the light projected on the Berlaymont”. He told The Times permission to put the light on the building had not been sought. Nikos Chrysoloras, Bloomberg reporter, tweeted: “Commission tells me they were not involved in this. ‘Obviously,’ they add. “Note: Touching as it would be to ‘leave a light on for Scotland to find its way home’, it would also be an open call to secession. And involvement in the internal affairs of a third country.”


    A SNP spokesman confirmed that the pro-independence party was behind the symbol, sparking fury among Holyrood rivals. Maurice Golden, chief whip for the Scottish Tories, told the newspaper it was “was nothing more than an SNP stunt”. He said: “It’s concerning to see elected representatives imply online that somehow the European commission were complicit with this, or had even orchestrated it.”


    Ms Sturgeon is ploughing ahead with her plans to drag Scotland out of the Union after Britain finally unshackled itself from the EU on January 31. The SNP leader says she wants to hold an independence referendum by the end of 2020. A recent poll by Survation found that Scots are currently split over independence in their nation. It found that voters were split down the middle at 50/50.n independence referendum by the end of 2020.



    If waving flags solved problems then the world would be problem free.




    Nicola Sturgeon humiliated: SNP’s embarrassing Brexit ...04 II 2020.



    High time to give ‘Free Scotland’ a rest.

  6. #15

    Sturgeon snub: How Supreme Court declared ‘Scotland has no fishing power’


    NICOLA STURGEON was slapped down by the Supreme Court when it pointed out fishing and farming were outside Holyrood's "competence", according to unearthed reports.



    Scotland’sFirst Minister Ms
    Sturgeon has been prominently anti-Brexit ever since the EU referendum and has been proposing to take Scotland back into the EU if her independence bid is successful. If this went ahead, Scottish fisherman would have to follow the contentious Common Fisheries Policy once again, an EU law which meant all member states had equal access to fishing waters. Despite the protests against this from coastal communities, Ms Sturgeon would effectively be handing the fisheries back to the EU if she succeeded in her dream of independence.


    However, the last time Scotland tried to take control of its own fisheries by drafting an alternative to Westminster’s EU Withdrawal Bill, it was rejected by the Supreme Court. According to City AM, the Supreme Court decided farming and fishing were “outside of the legislative competence” of the Scottish Parliament in December 2018. The judges said the proposed Scottish bill “as a whole” was within Holyrood’s abilities, but MSPs did not have the power for the farming and fishing areas, infuriating the Scottish Parliament. The row began when MSPs passed their own Brexit bills in March after refusing to support Westminster’s EU Withdrawal Bill.


    Holyrood were refusing to give their consent to the Commons’ plan on how powers which were previously held by Brussels would be divided up after Brexit. The case made its way up to the Supreme Court after the UK courts completely rejected the Scottish bill. However, the President of the Supreme Court, Lady Hale, did admit that “the whole of the Scottish bill would not be outside the legislative competence of the Scottish Parliament” – but fishing and farming would be. The judges explained that changed made later to the UK legislation which prevented MSPs from modifying various elements, meant that a further 21 provisions could not go through as a result. Then-Scottish Secretary David Mundell commented that the court had “provided much-needed legal clarity” and shown that the bill “goes beyond the powers of the Scottish Parliament”.



    However, Scottish Brexit Secretary Mike Russell said the UK government had “changed the rules of the game midway through the match” in an “act of constitutional vandalism”. Director of public policy at Scottish legal giant Pinsent Masons Andrew Henderson told City AM: “Of the many challenges posed by Brexit, its potential impact on the UK’s devolution settlement is proving increasingly complex.“The court has found that the Scottish parliament did act outside of its legislative competence on one count – pursuing measures which might result in modification of the Scotland Act, a power that devolved institutions of Scotland do not enjoy. “The UK Government and opponents of the SNP will trumpet this aspect of the ruling.” The SNP’s stance over handing the common fisheries policies back to the EU has continued to be a cause for concern over the last few months.






    In December, Ms Sturgeon went on BBC Radio 5 Live and explained what an independent Scotland would do with its fisheries. She said: “The SNP has argued against the Common Fisheries Policy for almost the entirety of its existence. "We have put forward proposals for reform of the Common Fisheries Policy and we would continue to do that if we were in the European Union. We do believe it is important to have greater control over Scottish waters but we also know that it is important and this is where I think the whole Brexit argument falls down. "The fishing industry and communities are being, in many respects, sold a con by the Conservatives." She continued: "Because yes, control over our own waters, being able to land more fish is important but being able to process the fish is important. "Having the people to work in our fish process as many of whom come from other European countries. "Then having the markets to sell our fish into is important as well."





    Sturgeon snub: How Supreme Court declared ‘Scotland has no ...15 II 2020.


    The seas round the British Isles are shallow. The North Sea is nowhere more than 200 metres ... It is, too, the home of millions fish, and more than a million tons are caught every year.


    Fact Check: is 80% of UK fish given away to the rest of ...

    theconversation.com/fact-check-is-80-of-uk-fish-given-away-to-the-rest-of-europe-39966
    14/04/2015 · As a result of membership of the Common Fisheries Policy, we are now allowed to catch less than 20% of the fish that swim in British waters. The other 80% of UK fish we give away to the rest of Europe.






    Mediterranean


    Fishermen themselves report that they catch less and less fish every year, with potentially serious repercussions on the industry’s performance and on the economy of coastal communities.
    There are several reasons for the poor state of fish stocks: while pollution certainly plays a role, there can be no doubt that extensive overfishing is one of the key causes.


    The EU has been using a number of methods to counter overfishing: EU countries have been reducing their fleets and our legislation features national and international fisheries management plans, catch limitations and environmental requirements.


    Intense international cooperation encourages all countries bordering the Mediterranean Sea to play by the same rules. However the European Commission believes an extra effort by all is now required. To avoid the collapse of fish stocks and its undeniable impact on the ecosystem, and to guarantee a future for the fisheries industry in the Mediterranean Sea, all Mediterranean countries need to act urgently and collectively.








    The Map and the Fishing Statistics says everything.

  7. #16

    ‘Hundreds’ Break Coronavirus Rules to Attend Funeral of Glasgow Knife Rampage Migrant




    Hundreds of people broke coronavirus rules to attend the funeral of a Sudanese migrant who carried out a mass stabbing attack in Glasgow, according to reports.


    “Several hundred” mourners showed up at Badreddin Abadlla Adam’s burial service in breach of coronavirus restrictions on Saturday, Sky News reported.


    The 28-year-old was shot dead by armed police on June 26th after he went on a stabbing spree at a Park Inn in Glasgow, seriously wounding a number of his victims. The hotel was being used to house asylum seekers temporarily at the time of the attack, which left six people in hospital including police officer David Whyte, who was critically injured.


    Though the service was set to be held at Linn Cemetery at 2 p.m., it had to be delayed for a number of hours after police were called due to the crowd present. By 3 p.m. the funeral had still not begun as officers tried to disperse the huge number of mourners gathered in breach of coronavirus rules, which in Scotland specify that no more than 20 people are allowed at funeral services. With three police vans present, many of the attendees “were forced to congregate in a nearby car park while the service took place”,
    according to The Sun.


    Sky News informed its audience that the knifeman “was described as a ‘quiet and polite and decent guy’ by asylum seekers also residing at the Park Inn Hotel”. A friend of Adam’s spoke to the media outlet to say he had no idea that his fellow migrant was planning to carry out an attack, insisting that Sudanese people are “very peaceful”. He said: “We phoned [Adam’s] family. They had heard about the news but were not sure, but when we talked to them and confirmed they were very shocked and very sad about what he did because this is not our mentality, it is not out morals or nature. “Sudanese people are very peaceful people and they don’t tend to stab or to kill other people.”


    In the hours and days following the attack, Scotland’s left-liberal establishment, including First Minister and SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon, came up with a number of reasons why British taxpayers and authorities allegedly drove Adam to carry out the attack, claiming he was suffering “mental health issues” due to supposedly inadequate living conditions. These included that the food served at the hotel — such as spaghetti and macaroni cheese — “wasn’t culturally appropriate”, that there was “limited” free WiFi, and that being housed in a hotel during the coronavirus lockdown felt “like being in prison”.



    Lockdown regulations applied to everyone else in the country as well, of course — although most did not enjoy the free accommodation, meals, WiFi, and laundry service provided for the migrants.


    According to Kurdish Community Scotland activist Ako Zada, it was “completely humiliating” for migrants to have had their cash handouts cut when they were moved from taxpayer-funded private housing to the Glasgow Park Inn during the lockdown, where the Guardian reports that they received “three meals a day, basic toiletries and a laundry service” as well as access to televisions and the Internet.



    MPs from the country’s ruling left-separatist Scottish National Party (SNP), which campaigns for mass immigration and rejoining the EU, as well as open borders backing NGOs such as the Scottish Refugee Council, have demanded an independent inquiry into the allegedly poor conditions that the migrants were being housed in at taxpayers’ expense.




    These dangerous, burdensome foreigners are here because the entire political class is composed of corrupt, degenerate, nation-wreckers. The media and judiciary are just as bad.


    Every one of them should be rounded up and deported, and if nowhere will accept them then they should be dumped on the coast of SomaIia. We need to stop being a soft touch!

    And in other news it has emerged that the campaign to get the jihadi bride back was led by... Parliamentary Opposition Labour leader Keir Starmer.

    "Sudanese people are very peaceful people and they don't tend to stab or to kill other people" quote.
    Sudanese, are one of the most hateful and vindictive people on earth.
    Perhaps, Ms Sturgeon should open up her fortified Glasgow mansion, and experience Sudanese 'hospitality' first hand?

    Nicola Sturgeon and the SNPee are doing a great job of destroying Scotland. The Scots used to be a country marked by intellect, wisdom, and thrift. How far they have fallen, voting for the socialist, pro-EU SNP. What happened?




    ‘HUNDREDS’ BREAK CORONAVIRUS RULES TO ATTEND FUNERAL OF GLASGOW KNIFE RAMPAGE MIGRANT

    19 VII 2020.









    First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has announced the government is working to change the narrative around migration to persuade Scots that the nation needs huge numbers of people from abroad.


    Scottish Leader: Using Mass Migration to Grow Population ...

    https://www.breitbart.com/.../2018/01/16/scotland-mass-migration-challenge
    16/01/2018 · “Growing our population, and particularly our working age population, is perhaps the greatest national challenge that we face,” she announced. “Over the past 15 years, EU migration has helped to turn around the long term decline in Scotland’s population






  8. #17

    Sturgeon's brazen Brexit intervention: Secret talks between SNP and EU chiefs sparks fury


    EU CHIEFS have sat down with Scottish Government officials to discuss Scotland's fishing and agriculture industry just as Brexit negotiations between the UK Government and Brussels reach crunch point.



    Express.co.uk understands EU officials in Brussels have held informal discussions with counterparts in Edinburgh concerning matters including fishing. It comes as both Scotland and the EU reacted furiously to the Government's controversial UK Internal Market Bill, which prompted threats of legal action from Brussels if it was not changed by the end of the month.


    The most recent round of negotiations between the UK and EU resumed this week with fisheries and the so-called level-playing field among the items on the agenda as time runs out on the transition period.


    Express.co.uk has learned the Scottish Government has become increasingly concerned with Westminster over its approach to EU negotiations. An official said that Westminster does not seem to want to discuss EU matters, stressing a no deal is in “no one's interest".


    The SNP administration at Edinburgh is also concerned that Scotland’s fisheries have “no clarity” about future arrangements, warning that “successive Westminster governments have sold out Scotland’s fishing industry”. In reference to fears of Scotland’s industry being sold out, Fergus Ewing MSP, Scotland’s Rural Affairs Secretary, warned there had been “no indications the Tory government wouldn’t be prepared to do so again.” But Dean Lockhart MSP, Scottish Conservatives Constitution spokesperson, told Express.co.uk: “We heard recently how the SNP had attempted to undermine negotiations regarding our vital fishing industry during talks with the European Union. “Now we hear they have held further talks at a time when negotiations are at a critical point. “The SNP have continued to try and overplay their hand when it is the UK Government who are leading the negotiations and working to secure the best deal for the whole of the United Kingdom." But Whitehall rebuffed tonight with a source saying: "We want to achieve the best outcome for the whole of the UK and are negotiating with the EU.“As part of this, we are constantly working with the Devolved Administrations." A Scottish Government spokesman said they had not had discussions directly with Barnier himself but added: "The Scottish Government will always stand up for Scotland’s interests. "We remain extremely concerned about the “no deal or low deal” approach being taken by the UK Government, which clearly goes against the interests of the Scottish seafood sector and our coastal communities, and puts at risk almost £700 million of seafood exports to the EU.”


    It comes as Lord Frost unveiled a new plan to try to secure a breakthrough in talks where the EU would be offered a three-year transition period to allow European boats to prepare for changes. Under the proposals, fishing opportunities for EU vessels would be “phased down” between 2021 and 2024 to offer coastal communities time to adapt to the changes. The plans were presented as an eleventh-hour attempt by Lord Frost to break the Brexit deadlock.


    Fishing access has been a contentious issue throughout Brexit discussions between the UK and EU.Mr Johnson's spokesman insisted the government will not accept any measures that compromise UK control over its waters. “The sort of agreement we are looking for is the sort of agreement which the EU has with Norway,” he said. “Our position in relation to fishing and access to our fishing waters has been very clear from the outset.” A European Diplomatic Source said: “We have a long way to go but if the other problematic issues can be sorted, it doesn’t look like fisheries will stand in the way of the agreement.” Meanwhile, the government was warned it must face down EU demands for the same level of access. Elspeth Macdonald, Scottish Fishermen’s Federation chief executive, said the Common Fisheries Policy has given away the majority of fish in UK waters “for the benefit of the EU fleet” over the last 40 years. Ms Macdonald said “we are now very close to being able to right that wrong” and warned it is “imperative at this crucial stage that the UK remains steadfast”.



    Barnier said 4 years ago- "Losing Northern Ireland will be the price Britain pays for Brexit " It seems that he is also trying to ANNEX Scotland too . Highly illegal under International law and the way to WAR.


    Sturgeon's brazen Brexit intervention: Secret talks ...

    01 X 2020.

  9. #18

    ‘Scotland will be back in EU after independence!’ says SNP leader, as party pledges to vote AGAINST Brexit deal


    The leader of the Scottish National Party in the UK Parliament has slammed Boris Johnson’s trade deal with the EU and vowed to vote against it in a complete U-turn on Brexit.


    Speaking on Wednesday, Ian Blackford, SNP leader in Westminster, said that Scotland would soon be heading back into the European Union, having seen the PM’s “bad Brexit deal.” “It’s the people of Scotland that are sovereign, and it’s the people of Scotland that will determine to take them back into the European Union with independence,” he stated during the five-hour debate on the European Union (Future Relationship) Bill in Parliament on Wednesday. The SNP MP had already been cautioned by the speaker of the house for repeatedly interrupting Boris Johnson during his opening speech. Once again calling for another referendum on Scottish independence from the UK, the MP for Ross, Skye and Lochaber said that Scots had a very clear choice on their future. “Which future will we choose? This broken Brexit Britain or the European Union? If this whole Brexit saga was truly about sovereignty then the Scottish people can’t and won’t be denied our sovereign right to that self-determination,” he asserted.



    The SNP have vowed to vote against Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal, in a move which marks a total U-turn on the party’s Brexit position but is unlikely to stall the bill, as Blackford’s MPs do not have enough power in the UK Parliament to impact its passing.


    Earlier in December, SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon said that “a deal, any deal, is better than a no deal.”



    No wonder the Romans built a wall to keep the Scots out. They were lunatics then and still are.




    R T: ‘Scotland will be back in EU after independence!’ says SNP leader, as party pledges to vote AGAINST Brexit deal.
    31 XII 2020.


    A proxy war over the Falkland Islands and Britain is going to allow the EUssr to dissect the UK. Not to mention two world wars that financially crippled / destroyed Britain. This is EU rope’s payback. Game on - well time to help arm the Catalans and the others. Believe me there are or can be plenty of others.

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    "It's the people of Scotland that are sovereign" says the SNP politician wanting to return the country to the EU. One can't invent these things.
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    EU simply wouldn't take on Scotland - and here's why.



    NICOLA Sturgeon, the Scottish nationalists' leader, reminds me of Blackadder. She has a cunning plan.



    And it is to make every free-born English elector so sick of the sight, sound and skirl of the Scots that we wish them good riddance from the Union. I have news for her. It won’t work because the British know their responsibilities. In any case, her entire campaign for independence is not founded in reality. Of course, nationalism has long existed in England, Wales and Northern Ireland as well as Scotland. Independence also seems to be a goal increasingly espoused by the Welsh Nationalists.


    More than 3,000 people died in the nationalist versus unionist reign of terror in Northern Ireland and beyond.


    But I believe that a majority in all areas of the UK recognize that the realm is the sum of its parts and infinitely better together. They know what’s good for them. There is strength in diversity which is reflected in our common history since the Act of Union in 1707.


    I believe this to be true even though Ms Sturgeon's relentless campaign has everything going for it: virtually a one-party state, a tame media, a daily party political broadcast reporting on the pandemic and, let’s face it, the considerable ability of a gifted communicator.


    If she survives the current sleazy spat with her predecessor, Alex Salmond, she will probably win a new mandate in the May elections and proceed to another referendum in an attempt to force Sexit, as it were, from the UK.


    But that is where her troubles begin - when canny Scots take everything into account.


    In outlining that account, I am not resorting to the scare tactics of Remainers in the Brexit argument. Just harsh reality.


    Many may feel that if the UK can Brexit from the EU why can’t Scotland leave the UK if a majority want to do so?


    The short answer is because the two are not the same. Yes, the UK has recovered its sovereignty but Scotland, a devolved part of the UK, has no wish for sovereignty only independence from the English. It wants to remain subject to the EU.


    On this basis Ms Sturgeon could be accused a lack of principle, of hypocrisy, and of provocative presumption in ordering the EU flag to be flown from Scottish Government buildings.


    This raises two questions: whether the EU would want Scotland; and whether Spain would veto it since, if it didn’t, it could scarcely prevent Catalonia from seceding from the Spanish crown.


    Then there is the serious question why anyone with his head screwed on the right way would want to join a manifestly failing EU.


    The pandemic has exposed the pretension of European unity. It is every nation for itself these days with border controls and the scramble for COVID-19 vaccines.


    But long before this the EU’s headlong drive to federalism, represented by the euro, had virtually bankrupted Greece, Italy and Spain. And if the Scots think the EU, further debilitated by the cost of the pandemic, will be as generous towards them as the UK is to Scotland, they are living in cloud-cuckoo-land.


    The Scots get £2,000 more per head than the English in the distribution of public spending under the Barnett formula. I simply can’t see a strapped EU making that up in euros which Scotland would have to join, assuming the EU would have her.


    Remember one thing: North Sea oil, which fuelled Scottish nationalism, is a wasting asset. What is more, oil and gas are being phased out for environmental reasons.


    This brings me to Scottish finances. Its deficit has risen yet again to 8.6 % of GDP compared with the UK’s 2.5 %. Since the EU requires its members to keep the deficit below 3% it seems likely they will run a mile from embracing such a liability.


    Meanwhile, NATO will be keeping an eye on Scot Nats’ unilateralism. As things stand, UK military bases, including the nuclear submarine facility at Faslane, would have to close.


    That would weaken the security of the British Isles - and not least in the northern North Sea and North Atlantic just when Russia is ever more probing the quality of our defences.


    Scottish independence would expose the Northern flank of NATO.


    If the Tories and Labour believe in the Union they had better get weaving on the Scots.


    It would help if No 10 Downing Street turf wars were not getting in the way of a real campaign for the Union in advance of the May elections.


    The answer is not to be found in federalism which some of the great and the good – and not so great or good - are canvassing as a way out. It would just add fuel to the nationalist flames.


    Instead, Ms Sturgeon has to be confronted daily with the inconsistencies and dangers in her position and not just during token Ministerial visits north of the border. Take, for example, what currency will Scotland adopt if the EU won’t have her. If they stick with sterling, it won’t be independent.


    And what kind of border will we have between Berwick and Carlisle? Hard or soft on trade flows? A new Wall a la Hadrian or Trump. Passports etc.


    Ms Sturgeon is curiously reticent on all these matters. But then she is certainly not God’s gift to government with the deteriorating performance of the once-renowned Scottish education system, its relatively poor health and now vaccination performance and its drug problem.


    I accept that for a year the political priority has inevitably been elsewhere. But now saving the Union is urgent and necessary for the general good of 66m people – and not least 5.6m Scots. The case must not go by default.


    Ms Sturgeon’s cunning plan must be shown to be as shallow as a Peebles puddle.



    Perhaps the issue is more driven by a personal ambition than any broad political and nationalistic criteria. Wouldn't Nicola Sturgeon be in ecstasy to hear herself addressed as Madam President!



    The EU have taken much worse countries! what about Romania Bulgaria Albania & Macedonia only recently and Poland all as poor as church mice, and absolutely nothing of interest in these countries.


    EU simply wouldn't take on Scotland - and here's why says ...

    25 II 2021.


    Same in Northern Ireland – we want to be free and Independence so we can give the territory to Merkel’s sham EU ropean union. Convince me that Sinn Fein and the SNP are not both managed and paid by the Euro Rats.


    EU doesn’t allow countries or regions to leave. Neither must the UK for whom it's time to wake up to this BS.

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