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    In conversation with Tina Lund (Nordic Resistance Movement)

    The German Social Nationalist organisation Der Dritte Weg recently conducted an interview with Tina Lund from the Nordic Resistance Movement. The conversation covered topics such as her history of activism and women’s wider role in the struggle.

    The below interview with Tina Lund was conducted by a woman from our German cooperation organisation Der Dritte Weg as part of their monthly column “Die Weggefährtin” [Fellow Traveller], which focuses on interviews with nationalist women. The original German article can be found here.

    The original aim of this article was to give an insight into the structure of the Nordic Resistance Movement, with emphasis on the work of its women. After a detailed interview with Tina, and some private words afterwards, it was only right that the article also served to give a personal insight into the life of a woman who in all respects has devoted herself to the struggle for folk and nation in an inspirational way. She offers direct, thought-provoking words, anecdotes from the field that inspire courage, and truths requiring no discussion.

    I realised that Tina was a special woman over a year ago when I met her at a Nordic Resistance Movement demonstration in Stockholm. She has an open, warm manner and had much to relate about political difficulties, social change and the slow but certain re-education of her people that has taken place in recent decades.

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    I looked up the NRM's website and their rallies have obviously declined (in terms of attendees) over the last few years. It seems that Americanizing their movement (more focus on pan-European politics, less explicitly Germanic talk, lessened standards, trying to ally with Middle Easterners against 'Zionism', and more pro-Russian talk) has alienated the Scandinavians who they wish to recruit.

    It's really not that complex: be professional, be fun, ban the trolls (and anyone who is promoting toxic ideas), and focus on promoting your own people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani View Post
    I looked up the NRM's website and their rallies have obviously declined (in terms of attendees) over the last few years. It seems that Americanizing their movement (more focus on pan-European politics, less explicitly Germanic talk, lessened standards, trying to ally with Middle Easterners against 'Zionism', and more pro-Russian talk) has alienated the Scandinavians who they wish to recruit.
    I can't say I've seen all of the same tendencies you mention. NRM has always been pan-Nordic in their political goals and rhetoric, and I've never seen any signs of them cozying up to Middle-Easterners, save for a symbolic support of Assad. There certainly are no sentiments of allegiance with the Middle-Eastern immigrant groups in Europe.

    As for their activity level, it seems to have had a spike between 2015 and 2018. The high-water mark being their demonstration in Gothenburg in September 2017. They were on a good roll at the time, and were very high in confidence. Perhaps too much. They were hit pretty hard by the full force of the law during the demonstration, and doesn't seem to have fully recuperated since then. And this summer, a handful of the long-term core figures in NRM decided to break away and form a new organisation, called 'Nordisk Styrka' (Nordic Strength), which have yet to yield any actual results.

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    It's really not that complex: be professional, be fun, ban the trolls (and anyone who is promoting toxic ideas), and focus on promoting your own people.
    I think there are so many pitfalls you open yourself up to when you publicly and explicitly oppose the ruling system the way NRM does. They are constantly being hammered with lawsuits, criminal prosecutions and commercial boycotts. Some being absolutely absurd and tyrannical, and some being somewhat called for. Just look at Charlottesville or the Proud Boys, and how they got absolutely wrecked by the law and their political opponents, without doing much else than attempting to have peaceful demonstrations and defend themselves against physical attacks.
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    Hi Thoreidar, here's a few examples of what I'm talking about from their own website:

    The ally, in general, does not engage in lying and trickery but is a straightforward and honest person. As an honest man, the ally recognizes the influence certain Jews have had in bringing multiculturalism to Sweden and are openly criticizing this. Allies from the Middle East are also anti-Zionists who want peace in their home countries so that as many of their compatriots as possible can return home.

    https://nordicresistancemovement.org/alibis-vs-allies/
    There's also photos on their Gab page with a Middle Eastern / mixed ally wearing one of their uniforms (my computer is wonky but if you zoom in on the photo you should be able to see that the middle guy is not a full blooded European):

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    This all sounds very familiar to me. American WNs will often talk about 'good Palestinians' and try to ally with them only to find that they've wasted their time and alienated their own audience. Btw, I want to make it clear that I'm not saying we should be opposed to all of the other races in the world. There are plenty of foreign peoples who are absolutely zero threat to us and others who would happily trade with us without any malice. The MENAs are pretty low on the good foreigner list though. They're the ones who are invading Europe so talking about allying with them is only going to confuse potential recruits.

    As for racial vs ethnic sentiment, I'm not disparaging pan-Nordicism. That's really up to Nordics to decide. The issue I'm warning about is the slow creep of American style 'ORION' (Our Race is Our Nation) White Nationalism. Their article 'Race - Not Country' talks about a Nordic union ruled by Nordics but then says this:

    Aryan men and women exist on every continent, and every single day more of us are born in different countries across the world. But although we have lived in some of these lands for thousands of years, what ultimately matters is race – and it is race that we fight for in the Resistance Movement.
    Their political program, available here, also implies they wish to absorb 'other Northern Europeans and closely related peoples' into their nation. This is all rather vague, imo. Who does 'closely related peoples' refer to? All White people? Western Europeans? Eastern Europeans? A huge portion of our target audience in the Anglosphere is frustrated with the mass immigration of cheap Eastern European labor. I imagine a similar situation might exist in the Nordic realm.

    Good propaganda is simple and straightforward. Vague rhetoric always backfires.

    I also want to say that they're doing a lot of good things and are still more professional than most. I just see some obvious issues that could get out of hand if they aren't corrected. If I lived in a Nordic nation, I'd probably try to network with their members.

    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    Just look at Charlottesville or the Proud Boys, and how they got absolutely wrecked by the law and their political opponents, without doing much else than attempting to have peaceful demonstrations and defend themselves against physical attacks.
    This is a legit point and I agree that legal warfare is a huge problem. However, the C-Ville narrative promoted by American WNs simply isn't true. The Friday night torch rally went very well but the next day things fell apart. If you watch videos of the rally it's obvious that the cops lost their cool the moment the crowd of White men started shouting 'White Sharia'. American policemen are extremely antsy about anything to do with Islam and 'White Sharia' made them feel threatened. They responded by pushing the pro-White attendees around and letting Antifa attack them.

    With a few changes the C-Ville rally probably would have gone much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani View Post
    Hi Thoreidar, here's a few examples of what I'm talking about from their own website:
    Thanks. I wasn't aware of this position.

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    There's also photos on their Gab page with a Middle Eastern / mixed ally wearing one of their uniforms (my computer is wonky but if you zoom in on the photo you should be able to see that the middle guy is not a full blooded European):
    I knew that NRM allowed non-Nordics to be supporting members (by donating money and joining demonstrations), but I thought I read on their site some time that they are restricted from becoming full-members and activists. The other non-Nordic supporters I've seen have been fully European, though. Didn't think they would allow non-Europids.

    Personally, I'm not sure what is the best way to go about it. On one hand, it's beneficial to uphold (and even promote) clear boundaries between the native ethnic population and racial aliens. While on the other hand, there are quite a few people of mixed-race who are vocal promoters of many of the same core ideas, who might serve as effective gateways for native normies. Avoiding any contra-signaling of each other, but keeping to one's own, is probably the most reasonable solution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dani View Post
    As for racial vs ethnic sentiment, I'm not disparaging pan-Nordicism. That's really up to Nordics to decide. The issue I'm warning about is the slow creep of American style 'ORION' (Our Race is Our Nation) White Nationalism. Their article 'Race - Not Country' talks about a Nordic union ruled by Nordics but then says this:

    Their political program, available here, also implies they wish to absorb 'other Northern Europeans and closely related peoples' into their nation. This is all rather vague, imo. Who does 'closely related peoples' refer to? All White people? Western Europeans? Eastern Europeans? A huge portion of our target audience in the Anglosphere is frustrated with the mass immigration of cheap Eastern European labor. I imagine a similar situation might exist in the Nordic realm.

    Good propaganda is simple and straightforward. Vague rhetoric always backfires.
    They lay it out quite clearly here, I think:

    Quote Originally Posted by Our Path, p.14
    Ethnic northern European or closely related people
    There are different races in our world with not only visual but mental characteristic differences including intelligence, character, and personality traits. This is an undeniable truth shown in both scientific research as well as common sense. Our opposition to immigration is mainly based on a racial policy whereby we wish to preserve our people. Our goal is not to first and foremost create a completely pure Nordic race, but rather to preserve the Nordic people as they are today, where the Nordic racial type is the dominating element in the Nordic gene pool.

    Since research on race has been taboo in all Nordic countries since 1945, we unfortunately suffer from a lack of modern and correct racial terms. This enables race deniers to continue spreading the lie that there are no uniquely different human races. In reality, it is in most cases quite obvious who is of Nordic or closely related descent. In more uncertain cases we could use modern genetic profiling to determine which people are predominantly of Nordic racial descent. Those who will be allowed to stay in the Nordic countries are, among others, all northern European ethnicities, a large portion of the central and eastern European ethnicities, parts of the southern European ethnicities and people with a northern European ethnic ancestry currently residing in other parts of the world. In other words, we mean that a majority of the indigenous people from the so-called Western world would be permitted to stay in the Nordic countries with full citizen rights, regardless of when they came into the country.
    Precisely what they mean by 'Nordic', in a sub-racial sense, is not specified, but I'd say that position is tolerable. I'm not in favor of large masses of Poles, Russians and Czechs living in Scandinavia, but in the grand scope of things, it is a minor detail, if the non-Nordish elements are weeded out.

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    I also want to say that they're doing a lot of good things and are still more professional than most. I just see some obvious issues that could get out of hand if they aren't corrected. If I lived in a Nordic nation, I'd probably try to network with their members.
    Certainly, they deserve a lot of credit for their work. I've considered the option of joining (or rather, applying as a prospect), but at the end of the day concluded that it's not for me. Joining NRM is practically for life. Both due to pressure from the outside (ostracization from the surrounding community, the workplace, friends/family, etc.) and from the inside of the organization. Although they do allow people who are not explicitly NS in their ranks, their ideology and self-animating mythos is so closely tied up with the historic NS of Hitler's Germany, that - as a member - one is sort of forced to accept the whole package, and consequently justify and defend it. For someone who's a devout Hitlerist, they may well be willing to pay that price. But for someone who's not, it's just a lot of extra baggage on top of an already heavy cart.

    What do you personally see as obvious issues with NRM?

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    This is a legit point and I agree that legal warfare is a huge problem. However, the C-Ville narrative promoted by American WNs simply isn't true. The Friday night torch rally went very well but the next day things fell apart. If you watch videos of the rally it's obvious that the cops lost their cool the moment the crowd of White men started shouting 'White Sharia'. American policemen are extremely antsy about anything to do with Islam and 'White Sharia' made them feel threatened. They responded by pushing the pro-White attendees around and letting Antifa attack them.

    With a few changes the C-Ville rally probably would have gone much better.
    Interesting. I didn't know about the 'White Sharia' chants at Charlottesville. I was of the understanding that the local authorities had already decided to dismantle the demonstration even before it started, by announcing a 'state of emergency' before there had been any clashes at all between the Alt-Right and the Anti-FA.
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    I would think it means most of all Finns. Activity calmed down a lot, not sure what became of that girl who organised/headed many rallies in Finland during 2016/17, not much going there right now. It remains to be seen whether they become more active again now with the all-female govt (depends on their actions, I would think).

    Anyway, NRM is the best organised nationalsocialist org in Europe. And I'm really happy that Der Dritte Weg appears to want to learn from them and doesnt mingle so much with (heavily infiltrated) NPD or so. NRM's approach is very good, they have great articles (mostly in Swedish though), good speakers at rallies, they have an own dress code, own flag/symbol which makes for a neat appearance. It's exactly what we need in Germany. Not 1:1 copying, but inspiration in how to go about things.

    The "friendships" with middle eastern orgs is a two-edged sword, but not completely off. In Syria they have "NS" wings within the Syrian army, in general the Baath party is not so far off from NS, Iran in all levels is not so far off from NS, and probably the Palestinian (old guard) ones arent either. It's a historic grown "friendship" which from their side never ceased. You'd be hardpressed to find "anti-German" quotes from Ahmadinejad, and this "background" is the only reason why Rouhani still even talks with Europe about the cancelled nuclear deal to keep it up, even though the relation and goodwill is very one-sided.

    When you look at immigrants crimes in Europe, you'd rarely find Iranians as the perpetrators. It's mostly Afghans, Iraq (Sunni), Arabs, North Africans, Turks. Syrians are more difficult to determine, because many IS fighters are not Syrians but again Arabs, Jordanians, Iraqi, Turks etc who had obtained Syrian passports in 2015/16 when IS held Raqqa including the province govt and a fresh delivery of about 1mio passport raws (so there's no way to tell whether it's a fake passport/identity because they have all the docs needed with official stamps and everthing), from late 2016 also Turkey issued "official" Syrian passports to anyone who asked. With the eastern province of Deir Ez Zour it was similar, in the wake of the US invasion of Iraq's Mosul the province was shortly in the hands of IS, again including all the govt structures.

    While the (((West))) declares the Shia moslems 'terrorists' (Hezbollah, Baath, Iran...) and caters to the actual (sunni/wahhabi) terrorists, it's as said not unreasonable for European nationalists to have a (careful) contact with the Shias. They want their people back in their countries, they're not interested in colonizing Europe with Islam. It would be stupid not to "network" with them when they share the same goals.

    Of course, this whole matter shouldnt be a front rallying point for European nationalist parties or orgs, but it maybe cant be swept off completely, and Europe needs every ally that we can get.

    This, btw, also goes for Russia. While Europe had and has difficult relations with Russia and very bad experiences in the past, Russia/the Russian people are not our enemies. The US and the globalist puppets in EU of course see that differently, the hysteric witchhunt against Russia and Trump from democrats is proof of that (for the why, see Friedman). As nationalists, aiming towards a free and independent Europe, Russia however is vital. Americans may not like that, but it's really not our problem. It's not the US that is our "natural ally". This all must be understood if we want to break the globalist powers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    What do you personally see as obvious issues with NRM?
    1. Their rhetoric is purposefully vague and not just in regards to what they mean when they use terms like 'related peoples.' For example, after scanning their site & Gab page a bit more they say they may decide to expand into the Baltics. Well, do they want to do that or not? Do they have an actual policy regarding Russia? Wishy washiness just doesn't sell well.

    2. Hitlerism. They're wrapped up in the rhetoric and mindset of 1930s Germany and this makes them seem out of date. They literally have an article on their site's front page called 'Strasserism - The Enemy Within.' How many average Scandinavians care about this?

    3. Their image keeps getting more militaristic and edgy. Black uniforms, military style poses, calling themselves 'The Resistance', etc. Do they want to draw in fan girls and and go boxing with their buddies on the weekends or do they actually want to win political power? And don't even get me started on those white button up shirt uniforms with tucked in ties - that combination makes a man look like a waiter. The goddess of fashion is haughtily shaking her head right now.

    With that said, I'm sure there are many excellent members of this organization. It's obvious to me that their degree of discipline, organization, and focus is significantly better than that of any similar movement in the USA, Canada, or Australia.

    Interesting. I didn't know about the 'White Sharia' chants at Charlottesville. I was of the understanding that the local authorities had already decided to dismantle the demonstration even before it started, by announcing a 'state of emergency' before there had been any clashes at all between the Alt-Right and the Anti-FA.
    The local authorities certainly didn't want to be seen as supportive of the rally but the videos of the cops reaction to the chant really speaks for themselves. The attendees ghettoized themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    While the (((West))) declares the Shia moslems 'terrorists' (Hezbollah, Baath, Iran...) and caters to the actual (sunni/wahhabi) terrorists, it's as said not unreasonable for European nationalists to have a (careful) contact with the Shias. They want their people back in their countries, they're not interested in colonizing Europe with Islam. It would be stupid not to "network" with them when they share the same goals.
    Lol, Iran regularly promotes anti-White rhetoric. The current Ayatollah has even signaled his support of Black Lives Matter & the Global Left's narrative regarding 'the evil White man':

    If the United States “has any power” then it should “better manage” the country and “tackle #WhiteSupremacy rather than meddle in nations’ affairs,” Khamenei posted Wednesday on Twitter, adding a #Charlottesville hashtag.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/08/16/irans-supreme-leader-says-the-u-s-should-tackle-white-supremacy/
    They want two things:

    1. A multiracial Islamic empire.

    2. For the USA to leave the middle east and for Israel's power to implode.

    'The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend'

    This, btw, also goes for Russia. While Europe had and has difficult relations with Russia and very bad experiences in the past, Russia/the Russian people are not our enemies. The US and the globalist puppets in EU of course see that differently, the hysteric witchhunt against Russia and Trump from democrats is proof of that (for the why, see Friedman). As nationalists, aiming towards a free and independent Europe, Russia however is vital. Americans may not like that, but it's really not our problem. It's not the US that is our "natural ally". This all must be understood if we want to break the globalist powers.
    Russia is a multiracial empire that throws actual nationalists in prison, unveiled a proposed world currency a few years back, and has created a 'Eurasian Union.' And as I've already pointed out, they're now operating fake accounts claiming to be housewives & students while trying to subvert & coopt political movements in the West. They're not pro-White, they're just anti-American and anti-NATO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani View Post
    There's also photos on their Gab page with a Middle Eastern / mixed ally wearing one of their uniforms (my computer is wonky but if you zoom in on the photo you should be able to see that the middle guy is not a full blooded European):

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    That would be absolutely impossible to tell from such a bad quality picture. On top of that he wears a hat shading his face and sports a beard, further obscuring his facial details.

    But that guy in the middle is actually Icelandic and the leader of NRM in Iceland: Rķkharšur Leó Magnśsson.
    See
    https://nordicresistancemovement.org...es-in-iceland/
    https://nordicresistancemovement.org...landic-branch/
    The chances of him being non-European, even only partly, are zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani View Post
    This all sounds very familiar to me. American WNs will often talk about 'good Palestinians' and try to ally with them only to find that they've wasted their time and alienated their own audience. Btw, I want to make it clear that I'm not saying we should be opposed to all of the other races in the world. There are plenty of foreign peoples who are absolutely zero threat to us and others who would happily trade with us without any malice. The MENAs are pretty low on the good foreigner list though. They're the ones who are invading Europe so talking about allying with them is only going to confuse potential recruits.
    https://nordicresistancemovement.org/alibis-vs-allies/

    Quote Originally Posted by Dani View Post
    Their political program, available here, also implies they wish to absorb 'other Northern Europeans and closely related peoples' into their nation. This is all rather vague, imo. Who does 'closely related peoples' refer to? All White people? Western Europeans? Eastern Europeans? A huge portion of our target audience in the Anglosphere is frustrated with the mass immigration of cheap Eastern European labor. I imagine a similar situation might exist in the Nordic realm.
    From their manifesto "Our Path":

    Our goal is not to first and foremost create a completely pure Nordic race, but rather to preserve the Nordic people as they are today, where the Nordic racial type is the domi-nating element in the Nordic gene pool. Since research on race has been taboo in all Nordic countries since 1945, we unfor-tunately suffer from a lack of modern and correct racial terms. This enables race deniers to continue spreading the lie that there are no uniquely different human races. In reality, it is in most cases quite obvious who is of Nordic or closely related descent. In more uncertain cases we could use modern genetic profiling to determine which people are predominantly of Nordic racial descent. Those who will be allowed to stay in the Nordic countries are, among others, all northern European ethnicities, a large portion of the central and eastern European ethnicities, parts of the southern European ethnicities and people with a northern European ethnic ancestry currently residing in other parts of the world. In other words, we mean that a majority of the indigenous people from the so-called Western world would be permitted to stay in the Nordic countries with full citizen rights, regardless of when they came into the country.
    Sounds simply like Nordicism or actually "Nordishism" (horrible looking word but you get the idea). It's just not entirely clear whether that would be decided on an individual or an ethnic basis. "Large portion" and "parts of ethnicities" could mean either, to me at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    When you look at immigrants crimes in Europe, you'd rarely find Iranians as the perpetrators. It's mostly Afghans, Iraq (Sunni), Arabs, North Africans, Turks.
    There simply aren't that many Iranians in Europe to begin with, compared to those other ethnicities. On top of that it's harder to get out of Iran, it's mostly secular and/or politically moderate dissidents and because of that the level of education tends to be higher than among the migrants of those ethnicities mentioned, which tends to decrease crime.
    So that finding tells us nothing in itself. Even if that were the case it's irrelevant, though.
    And the day they sold us out, Our hearts grew cold
    'Cause we were never asked, No brother, we were told!
    What do they know of Europe, Who only Europe know?



    Ancient DNA: List of All Studies analyzing DNA of Ancient Tribes and Ethnicities(post-2010)


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