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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    I think that fleas on rats were to blame, not men or the patriarchy.
    But those most likely spread to Europe via mongols ... ones who were warriors
    (conquers ... one kind of imperialists?) ... more than trade people?

    Maybe we can call Europeans as trade people ... who brought smallpox to America (Indians).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    But those most likely spread to Europe via mongols ... ones who were warriors
    (conquers ... one kind of imperialists?) ... more than trade people?
    So your argument is what? That the Black Plague wouldn't have hit Europe under a matriarchal World order?

    I'm almost tempted to hear out your reasoning, but it's reaching levels of absurdity I don't have the tolerance for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    So your argument is what? That the Black Plague wouldn't have hit Europe under a matriarchal World order?
    Speculation is sometimes funny & interesting (as it allows to think out of box); but often pretty useless . What we can only know is: what really happened and under what kind of circumstances. Same in past, same in today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coillearnach View Post
    The average American man engages in 41 hours of paid work a week, not 60, and the woman is not far behind at 36 1/2. Women engage in at least 2 times the unpaid labor on top of that, a working mom puts in an extra 58 hours a week unpaid - for which she is penalized unlike employed fathers who reap the rewards of positive bias.
    True, but American men are still responsible for the creation of most wealth, about three quarters I believe. There are jerbs and then there are jerbs. How much money does one really make by selling drawings on Etsy and vlogging for a random hysterical millennial garbage website, say the horrendous Salon.com? I bet it's hard work - long hours - busy, busy, busy. Not saying most women do these jobs, but a considerable part of them have these barely useful jobs.

    Women are damned if they do and damned if they don't on this one - if they want to fight, men complain, if they don't fight and the men lose (and perhaps even if they win).
    It's a tough debate and it would require us to go off-topic to go into it too much. But military experts know that mixed units fight less well as the men then start to focus too much on protecting their female comrades during operations, a view based on the experience of the Spanish Civil War and Israel's conflicts with the Arabs - and there's of course the hanky panky which goes on behind closed barrack doors. None of it is conducive to victory in war time. Female soldiers on a battlefield take the "leave no man behind" motto very literally too, instinctually I bet. They will hunker down together around a wounded girl rather than retreating, even when that's the one thing they should be doing, hence endangering operations and more lives.

    I'm not a fan of women in infantry roles, but I'm okay with them operating a weapons platform, say a tank, jet or anti-aircraft system. In all female-units.

    However, C'nach, us men are still expected to die for you in civilian life too. Nothing will ever change that. A guy can simply not leave either his wife or his children behind to die - he's expected to die himself before that happens - a fire will always do that sooner than a war. That traditional norm is somehow very much intact. And such deaths happen on a regular basis, while those men who couldn't muster up the courage are virtually unheard of and probably lay low, they have to - the absence of such stories proves it. That means even weakling nerds and libturd men will still sacrifice themselves for their own wife and children in the current year.

    Women do have custody bias but divorced women aren't flooded with "cash and prizes" - they disproportionately fall into poverty compared to men and their earnings fall (while men's rise).
    In the U.S.A., yes. In WEU men's income still ends up with single mothers through taxation. You may not get to see your child as a man, but your ex-wife will surely see your money again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    And opposite? WWII, WWI, Thirty Years' War, Black Death (killing 30% - 60% of population in Europe) etc. etc.
    Very true, but none of these developments truly threatened to do away with our nations in their entirety, none of it was as bad as the challenges faced today. And how are men responsible for the black death though?

    Only blind person would keep our histories just bright & glorious. Or overlook all the sad & sorrowful moments (people have faced) with a shrug ... a'la: ''inevitable matters''.
    Nope ... our histories are results of patriarchal societies (ours and/or others). Caused all the positive matters but also all the negative matters.
    States have no gender however, they lead a life of their own. And a community still requires land and living space, resources and access to resources. Conflict is inevitable, all the more so when the leadership takes its commitment to the people seriously instead of letting it be exploited by a foreign power. Whether men or women run the state is irrelevant when it comes to matters of war and peace, no great female leader ever shrank back from war.

    You mentioned a bunch of wars, FS, yet queens and empresses have started wars all the time as well - and rightly so - they lived in patriarchal systems, true - but that's why they themselves were great and were able to keep the Asiatic and African barbarians at the gate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    A better option?

    Empress ....

    Hey, if a Barbie dressed as a Russian prosecutor gets immigration stopped, then count me in.





    I for one suggest the Teletubbies. They couldn't do a worse job than European politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    I think a lot of women would be surprised (and possibly appalled) by the standard of upkeep in the homes of most bachelors.
    Yep, it's pretty grimy.

    Women trying to push the same amount of housework on men is kind of pushing their own standards on someone who doesn't see the same value in it. In a way, it is akin to a husband complaining that the wife doesn't put as much time, money and energy into the home cinema system, or fixing the car. To most women, that is of lesser importance.
    While some chicks can have pretty sterile standards and OCD/germophobia, many don't. They just want a reasonably clean area, even if it's a lil messy or disorganized. And I doubt that most dudes mind cleanliness, problem is, they're just too lazy to do it themselves. As long as the mom, gf or wife does it tho, they like it of course. Plus the reason some chicks try to push housework on their dudes is cause the dudes make a whole lot more mess than they do. Empty food wrappers and containers discarded anywhere but in the trash, grimy clothes on the floor, cigarette butts, empty bottles and so forth. Considering this, ya can't really blame chicks for asking them to be a lil less messy. I mean c'mon, how many chicks can beat such records?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gefjon View Post
    Yep, it's pretty grimy.
    It's not for no reason that Jordan Peterson's main mantra to young men is "clean your room".

    Quote Originally Posted by Gefjon View Post
    While some chicks can have pretty sterile standards and OCD/germophobia, many don't. They just want a reasonably clean area, even if it's a lil messy or disorganized. And I doubt that most dudes mind cleanliness, problem is, they're just too lazy to do it themselves. As long as the mom, gf or wife does it tho, they like it of course.
    Men also appreciate a clean and tidy home, but it's just way down on the list of appreciable things. Or rather, it's the kind of thing a lot of men don't think about until they experience it.

    Besides, men's skills could be put to better use elsewhere. Like chopping wood, doing home-repair work, or fixing the dishwasher. And honestly, I'm pretty sure most women find that a lot more attractive, than simply sharing every chore 50/50. Even studies among husbands and wives implies this, as increased equality in household chores correlates with decreased relationship satisfaction.
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    That's just plain disgusting. Those kind of immature males (I won't say men) had better get used to livin' single, cause no decent woman wants to marry a filthy pig like that.

    When I first saw Gareth's apartment, I honestly thought he had maid service, cause it was so clean and neat. But he is a very clean person.
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