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    Turkey threatens Europe some more: We are not a hotel for ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech
    More Ottoman blackmailing. One wishes the E.U. would end all diplomatic ties with Turkey, shut down the border, mobilize our armies and bring the E.U. and Turkey within an inch of full scale war. Then we'll see whether they're still so tough. But threatened with complete destruction Erdogan may reconsider. If the eternal Turkish enemy wants war however, they can get it - and afterwards we'll carve up Turkey and divide it between Greeks, Armenians and Kurds.


    Source: Voice of Europe

    Turkey has warned its NATO allies in Europe that it will repatriate thousands of captured ISIS fighters and their families back to their countries of origin even if their citizenship has been revoked.

    We are not going to keep them until the end of time. We are not a hotel for anybodys Islamic State members, Turkeys Interior Minister Suleyman Soylu told reporters in Ankara on Saturday, the Telegraph reports.

    Following its military incursion into northeastern Syria, the Turkish military now has more than 1,000 foreign ISIS terrorists and their loved ones in its custody.

    Ankaras warning comes despite various European states refusing to take back foreign fighters, or in the case of the UK, having gone far as to strip known ISIS terrorists of their citizenship.

    Minister Soylu then accused EU member states like Britain and the Netherlands of stripping foreign fighters of their citizenship in an attempt to prevent Ankara from sending them home.

    We will send back those in our hands, but the world has come up with a new method now: revoking their citizenships, Soylu said on Monday. They are saying they should be tried where they have been caught. This is a new form of international law, I guess.

    It is not possible to accept this. We will send back Daesh members in our hands to their own countries whether they revoke their citizenship or not, Soylu declared.

    Before Turkeys invasion of northeastern Syria, Kurdish forces had previously held roughly 12,000 captured IS members and their families in detention facilities. It remains unclear just how many of them managed to escape during Turkeys military onslaught in the region.
    We think that we are born today tabula rasa without a history, but man has always lived in the myth. To think that man is born without a history within himself that is a disease. It is absolutely abnormal, because man is not bom every day. He is born into a specific historical setting with specific historical qualities, and therefore, he is only complete when he has a relation to these things. If you are growing up with no connection from the past, it is like being born without eyes and ears and trying to perceive the external world with accuracy. Natural science may say, You need no connection with the past; you can wipe it out, but that is a mutilation of the human being. Carl Gustav Jung, 1957

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    The Turks are right in this regards .

    Our Western Governments are not to be trusted anyhow .

    It is a coalition thing on shifting daily basis .
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    I can understand the point the Turks are making here. Since these ISIS terrorists are not Turkish nationals, they radicalized in our countries, left for Syria from our countries; why would the Turks have to take care of them? European countries are showing their weakness by not dealing with this issue. We disapprove of trials by the Iraqi's and by Assad, because they will definitely sentence ISIS terrorists to death and we are too humanitarian for that. We also don't put any effort into putting up some kind of international war tribunal in the middle east and when the terrorists return to our countries we treat them as ordinary criminals (sometimes not even that) instead of our enemies in war, which they actually are.

    Of course the Turks should also quit pretending to be the victims of this problem. If they hadn't invaded Syria they wouldn't have to deal with them in the first place.

    European countries are also too weak to confront Turkey militarily as suggested above. The US aside, Turkey has the largest army in NATO. If Europe wants to be able to confront Turkey, it should at least have a more positive relation with Russia. Because without any other allies in the NATO bloc, Russia almost has no choice but to side with Turkey at the moment when Turkey is becoming more and more an outcast of NATO.

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    The same Turks that got caught having trade deals with ISIS?

    The same turks that have allies in Syria that are exactly like ISIS?

    The same Turks that let ISIS fighters enter Syria in trucks?

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    ISIS is primarly a Turkish terror organisation - the Turks supplied them, they traded with them, Turkish commandos advised them right there on the battlefield & at the height of the Syrian Civil War 50 ISIS recruits a day crossed the Turkish-Syrian border with the consent of the Turkish government - all long before Turkey invaded Syria. And all of this to prevent a (semi-)independent Kurdish state emerging and to get rid of Assad. That was before the U.S. got involved with boots on the ground.

    Flemish Waffen SS-ers are until this day the responsibility of Germany - Germany pays them a pension - they have no rights in Flanders, hence many of them still live in Germany. Likewise, all ISIS members are a Turkish responsibility. The Turks lost the war: they made their own bed and now they should lie in it.

    That should suffice as an argument, but naturally we should look at this subject from our perspective to protect our own interests. What the Turks want is irrelevant. It makes no sense at all to agree with Ankara or to understand the Turks.

    And from a preservationist perspective these terrorists aren't Dutch or French or German and should never come/be/return in/to our countries, they should've never been given our nationalities in the first place - it's irrelevant what their nationality is or where they've been radicalized (which could've been anywhere, quite often it's the internet - which is nowhere at all) and even liberal, pro-EU types aren't keen on taking any of these terrorists back. They can either be executed or imprisoned for life in Turkey/Iraq or we ourselves can extradite them to the countries of their ancestors. This has happened before, even if they share our nationalities - my country is doing this as we speak. That's at odds with the liberal cult of human rights but so is supporting Saudi-Arabia and pragmatism triumphs in both cases. Bottom line: not a single ISIS-terrorist is our problem. For us the current situation is perfectly acceptable, even if it is "unfair", whatever that may mean. At least some E.U. member states are showing some moral courage, not allowing the terrorists into our countries is the opposite of weakness. Even if liberal governments don't have the guts to say why.

    Furthermore, the Turks also threaten to flood our countries with migrants again if we object to their ongoing proxy invasion(s) of Syia, actively aiding our genocide. If that's not enough reason for war then I don't know what is - we wouldn't even need to win the war, as long as there's war there's no Turkish organised migration to our countries. And we don't need to invade them per se, we just need to isolate them internationally, like North Korea.

    The size of the Turkish army is not what keeps me awake at night, we have three times more soldiers than they have - and theirs aren't better than ours. We can still bring more quality units to a battlefield than they do - they don't have a French Foreign Legion nor British marines nor an S.A.S. The E.U is still militarily superior to the Turkish plague.

    Russia doesn't side with Turkey, they're not friends either (what kind of friend shoots down your airplanes?) - their relationship is purely pragmatic and they will stab each other in the back once more, soon - they do it constantly - the Russians aren't the issue and they're never going to support Turkey in any kind of war (unless it's against the U.S./NATO). But of course, war between Turkey and the E.U. is a pipedream (for completely different reasons), I realize that.
    We think that we are born today tabula rasa without a history, but man has always lived in the myth. To think that man is born without a history within himself that is a disease. It is absolutely abnormal, because man is not bom every day. He is born into a specific historical setting with specific historical qualities, and therefore, he is only complete when he has a relation to these things. If you are growing up with no connection from the past, it is like being born without eyes and ears and trying to perceive the external world with accuracy. Natural science may say, You need no connection with the past; you can wipe it out, but that is a mutilation of the human being. Carl Gustav Jung, 1957

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    The comparison doesn't hold, since we are talking about a proxy war here. Following this logic, many of the fighters would be our responsibility as well, since our governments have also supported terrorist groups in Syria in order to get rid of Assad. Not having to be responsible is exactly the reason countries fight proxy wars.

    Bottom line: not a single ISIS-terrorist is our problem.
    They are as long as we cannot be sure of their imprisonment/execution in the middle east and they desire to return to our countries.


    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    Russia doesn't side with Turkey, they're not friends either (what kind of friend shoots down your airplanes?) - their relationship is purely pragmatic and they will stab each other in the back once more, soon - they do it constantly - the Russians aren't the issue and they're never going to support Turkey in any kind of war (unless it's against the U.S./NATO). But of course, war between Turkey and the E.U. is a pipedream (for completely different reasons), I realize that.
    It's exactly Russia's pragmatism that is key here. As long as the US and the EU remain hostile to Russia, Turkey is their only opportunity to have an ally in pushing back Western hostility. They probably wouldn't go to war with us, but if European countries are on their own against Turkey, with no other major military powers on our side, that war won't be benificial to put it mildly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernhard View Post
    The comparison doesn't hold, since we are talking about a proxy war here. Following this logic, many of the fighters would be our responsibility as well, since our governments have also supported terrorist groups in Syria in order to get rid of Assad. Not having to be responsible is exactly the reason countries fight proxy wars.



    They are as long as we cannot be sure of their imprisonment/execution in the middle east and they desire to return to our countries.




    It's exactly Russia's pragmatism that is key here. As long as the US and the EU remain hostile to Russia, Turkey is their only opportunity to have an ally in pushing back Western hostility. They probably wouldn't go to war with us, but if European countries are on their own against Turkey, with no other major military powers on our side, that war won't be benificial to put it mildly.
    A united European Army in a war without major allies on both sides, would crush Turkey within weeks.

    They relied on other nato members to provide patriot missle defence system, this disgusting archenemies of Europe even had the guts to spit and assault German soldiers that were stationed there for the patriot missle defence.

    Turkey now bought the s400, Israels Air Force wasnt impressed by the system in Syria.

    Due to their purchase of the s400, they lost their access to the f35.

    In general the peformance of the turkish army in Syria is a joke and they coludnt even manage to capture Rojava without major losses, let alone win any conflict against European nations like France,UK or even Italy.

    Turkey is threatening us with refugees, Turkey is the biggest islamist supporter in Syria, Turkey is using its diaspora in Europe for acts against us.

    Turkey should be kicked out of nato, face sanctions and we should support Greece and Bulgaria to prevent any border crossings on sea,land and air from Turkey.

    Its wishfull thinking, but since Erdogan is such a incompetent degenerate, its more likely than ever before to finally isolate turkey from europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    A united European Army in a war without major allies on both sides, would crush Turkey within weeks.

    They relied on other nato members to provide patriot missle defence system, this disgusting archenemies of Europe even had the guts to spit and assault German soldiers that were stationed there for the patriot missle defence.

    Turkey now bought the s400, Israels Air Force wasnt impressed by the system in Syria.

    Due to their purchase of the s400, they lost their access to the f35.

    In general the peformance of the turkish army in Syria is a joke and they coludnt even manage to capture Rojava without major losses, let alone win any conflict against European nations like France,UK or even Italy.

    Turkey is threatening us with refugees, Turkey is the biggest islamist supporter in Syria, Turkey is using its diaspora in Europe for acts against us.

    Turkey should be kicked out of nato, face sanctions and we should support Greece and Bulgaria to prevent any border crossings on sea,land and air from Turkey.

    Its wishfull thinking, but since Erdogan is such a incompetent degenerate, its more likely than ever before to finally isolate turkey from europe.
    You're 100% right Turkey should be kicked out of NATO, this country has always been enemy of Europe and european civilization and it doesn't change and never will. Erdogan builds the most mosque in Europe after saudis and play important role of the islamization of this continent. We shouldn't be leaving that the new Ottoman Empire rise again, and this is his goal. Now he wants noclear weapons too:
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...-idUSKCN1VP2QN

    The Sultan going to be totally crazy. I hope it's not too late to stop him, and Constantinople belong to West

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    ISIS is the Mossad. You'll notice they never attack jews.

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    Turkey should definitely be isolated, no doubt about that. But in order to do that, we need to change a lot of things in our strategy. In general NATO is becoming a divided bloc (f.e. when it comes to Syria). So relying on military aid from for example the Brits or the Germans (and even more the US) is not a safe bet. The only thing NATO is fairly united in is its opposition to Russia. But that's exactly the country that for Turkey represents the alternative to NATO. This is why NATO members are reluctant to kick out Turkey. Everybody would love that, but they don't want their second army to team up with Russia. You cannot isolate a country from one side. Right now, military confrontation between Europe and Turkey would be heavily opposed by Russia. So we just have to deal with the fact that an outright confrontation with Turkey will imply at least a grave intensification of our problematic relation with Russia. Militarily Europe is not ready for that, especially in a time when we can be less sure of American aid.

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