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    Just saw TV-interview of one feminist

    She for example said:

    * gender roles are basically learned (bases on cultures) and not bases on biology.

    * these learned genders roles increases inequality between sex (jobs and salaries).

    * every human is individual ... variations inside genders are bigger than between genders.

    * masculinity behavior is poisonous (incl. aggression, competitive spirit, risk-taking etc.)

    * some women could work for example sewer divers or soldiers just as well as men.

    * she denied that women will ''search'' masculinity men (features) as looking for their partners.
    And that kind of stereotypes should be avoid. Today there are many kinds of relationships (same sex etc.).

    * professional terms like: policeman, fireman etc. should stop used.

    At the moment she the youngest member of Finland's parliament (Green party).


    Lastly the interviewer (older man)

    asked what she would like World to be in the future (at time she would be the oldest member of Finland's parliament) ... maybe men without their poisonous hormones/testicles?

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    * gender roles are basically learned (bases on cultures) and not bases on biology.
    What an odd coincidence then, that as good as every single culture in recorded human history have operated with clear and distinct traditional gender roles, often following the same basic tenants across the entire globe.

    Science proves that there are biological difference between male and female brains, which influence mentality, behavior, motivations and preferences. But then again, science is a male-dominant area, so I suppose that is considered invalid in feminist circles.

    * these learned genders roles increases inequality between sex (jobs and salaries).
    In the modern West, women and men are free to pursue the education and profession of their own wish. The feminist dogma of women being willfully excluded from high-paying and high-ranking positions - in a market economy where every company competes for the best employees (in order to make as much profit as possible) - makes absolutely no sense at all. Companies who have no problem with taking advantage of tax-evasion, fraud, legislative loopholes and social dumping - basically paying no regard to anything else than making more money - are supposed to be so stringently adherent to the ideology of patriarchy and male dominance, that they are willing to ignore the most highly skilled job applicants simply because they are female?

    * every human is individual ... variations inside genders are bigger than between genders.
    Without any given parameters of measurement, such a claim is meaningless. Take height, for example - the difference between the shortest male and the tallest male can be over a meter. While we all know that the vast majority of males are taller than the vast majority of females.

    * masculinity behavior is poisonous (incl. aggression, competitive spirit, risk-taking etc.)
    'Competitive spirit'... You mean like campaigning to get voted into parliament?

    I would think these feminists have no problem with the fruits of masculine aggression, competition and risk-taking when it comes to protection in times of war and in criminal situations, scientific discoveries and exploration, to name a few.

    * some women could work for example sewer divers or soldiers just as well as men.
    In the case of the former, perhaps, but I doubt a single feminist will ever go on demonstrations to demand gender-equal hiring among sewer divers (or coal-miners, mine-sweepers or garbage-drivers, for that matter).

    In the case of the latter - no, they absolutely wouldn't.

    * she denied that women will ''search'' masculinity men (features) as looking for their partners. And that kind of stereotypes should be avoid. Today there are many kinds of relationships (same sex etc.).
    Perhaps so in her own ideologically feminist social circles. Out in the real World, the vast majority of men and women seek out feminine and masculine traits, respectively, in a partner, which largely is of the opposite sex.

    Lastly the interviewer (older man) asked what she would like World to be in the future (at time she would be the oldest member of Finland's parliament) ... maybe men without their poisonous hormones/testicles?
    That really shows the kind of sick, anti-human sentiments that is rife among these perverted feminists. If you support this, you are part of the problem.
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    Just wrote about it as I have never before seen feminist alive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    Science proves that there are biological difference between male and female brains, which influence mentality, behavior, motivations and preferences.
    For her? The learned models influences more to humans personality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    In the modern West, women and men are free to pursue the education and profession of their own wish.
    She blamed that the society taugh girls to be girls (searching for traditional educations/jobs of women ... and in men's world those are exactly less valued (= less paid).

    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    Without any given parameters of measurement, such a claim is meaningless. Take height, for example - the difference between the shortest male and the tallest male can be over a meter. While we all know that the vast majority of males are taller than the vast majority of females.
    Funny that you mentioned that (same did that interviewer). For her ... human's personality is much more complicated/complex matter than person's height. And even latter one is a result of several matters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    'Competitive spirit'... You mean like campaigning to get voted into parliament?
    LOL. Sure. Sorry, I don't know how she got into parliament. Honestly might be that she did't directly campaign a lot ... but for sure she has been in publicity a ''enough''. Green party member, living in Tammerfors (councilor of Tammerfors) ... enough of younger city women might have voted her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    I would think these feminists have no problem with the fruits of masculine aggression, competition and risk-taking when it comes to protection in times of war and in criminal situations, scientific discoveries and exploration, to name a few.
    I think their problem is that, that they don't believe on those (something like that could happen). What Russia is doing East Ukraine, Israel in Gaza or now Turkey in Syria needs to be ''out of this world'' to them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    In the case of the former, perhaps, but I doubt a single feminist will ever go on demonstrations to demand gender-equal hiring among sewer divers (or coal-miners, mine-sweepers or garbage-drivers, for that matter).
    LOL. The interviewer mentioned that no woman has even worked as sewer diver (Finland).

    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    Perhaps so in her own ideologically feminist social circles. Out in the real World, the vast majority of men and women seek out feminine and masculine traits, respectively, in a partner, which largely is of the opposite sex.
    This is actually the thing which surprised me most. She someway ''attack'' against normal people too. Not directly/strongly, but someway questioned that as one kind of ideal model. It is simply ''bad'' because it is too common ... as by then it can be been seen (too easily?) as ideal model.

    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    That really shows the kind of sick, anti-human sentiments that is rife among these perverted feminists. If you support this, you are part of the problem.
    You should have seen her face after that last question. LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    She for example said:

    * gender roles are basically learned (bases on cultures) and not bases on biology.
    No authentic researcher should ever say this, it is speaking from ideology and not evidence. The evidence is that it is both.

    * these learned genders roles increases inequality between sex (jobs and salaries).
    This is probably true because women's work is seen as inferior in value (monetary or otherwise). It doesn't have to be that way though.

    * every human is individual ... variations inside genders are bigger than between genders.
    I find this argument so stupid & dated (and it is old, from the early 70s by a scientist named Richard Lewontin), it's trotted out for everything - even to negate the boundary between species. There has been a refutation of it recently, here is the paper http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...=rep1&type=pdf The basic argument of it is that when you stop just looking at individual datum and start looking at clusters of data, the idea that there is more variation within than between falls apart.

    * masculinity behavior is poisonous (incl. aggression, competitive spirit, risk-taking etc.)
    This is true in some kind of distilled, removed sense but so is feminine behavior.

    * she denied that women will ''search'' masculinity men (features) as looking for their partners.
    And that kind of stereotypes should be avoid. Today there are many kinds of relationships (same sex etc.).
    I don't get it. She wants women not to date men that look or act traditionally masculine? Try out being a lesbian? Interesting how this is coming out of the same crowd that used to say being gay wasn't a choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    It's pointless to argue with these programmed bots. Best question is just to ask "so who conditioned you to believe in this inane narrative?"
    She has studied sociology at University and women's studies (ups ... sorry ... gender studies ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coillearnach View Post
    No authentic researcher should ever say this, it is speaking from ideology and not evidence. The evidence is that it is both.
    She did't directly deny the first one (more like passed it/did not comment that at all), but strongly pointed out the another. I would say ... she played with words.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coillearnach View Post
    This is probably true because women's work is seen as inferior in value (monetary or otherwise). It doesn't have to be that way though.
    Those who are in power will decide that. I would't expect anything changing in near future.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coillearnach View Post
    This is true in some kind of distilled, removed sense but so is feminine behavior.
    I guess today's feminists will not see anything negative aspects in feminine behavior.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coillearnach View Post
    I don't get it. She wants women not to date men that look or act traditionally masculine? Try out being a lesbian? Interesting how this is coming out of the same crowd that used to say being gay wasn't a choice.
    Well ... she did't actually attack against hetero relationships as such (what comes to sexual sides); but as those (and huge majority of people) will determinate what is ''accept'' and what ''isn't''.

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