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    https://www.bitchute.com/video/13HtdmDZeD4P/

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    It's consensus among most non-biased experts (becoming fewer and further between as the years go by) that radicalism, extremism and terrorism should be clearly differentiated;

    Interesting comment, but how do these experts explain the distinguishing features between extremism and terrorism? One doesn't go from 0 (non involved) to 1000 (a terrorist) without becoming radicalized first. Aren't radicalization and extremism necessary steps before one reaches the terrorism level. And how is radicalism not a part of every terrorist? Breivik certainly harbored radical thoughts and then took action, making him a terrorist I guess. Lots of difficult labels to define here ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThorvinB View Post
    It's consensus among most non-biased experts (becoming fewer and further between as the years go by) that radicalism, extremism and terrorism should be clearly differentiated;

    Interesting comment, but how do these experts explain the distinguishing features between extremism and terrorism? One doesn't go from 0 (non involved) to 1000 (a terrorist) without becoming radicalized first. Aren't radicalization and extremism necessary steps before one reaches the terrorism level. And how is radicalism not a part of every terrorist? Breivik certainly harbored radical thoughts and then took action, making him a terrorist I guess. Lots of difficult labels to define here ;-)
    From what I've gathered, most serious and unbiased definitions of the terms go along these lines:

    Radicalism = Fringe ideology at odds with the mainstream, demanding considerable transformations

    Extremism = Willingness to use force/violence to propagate one's ideology

    Terrorism = Use of force/violence to reach one's ideological goals

    For the people supporting the status quo, there are obvious interests in conflating these terms.

    I don't think one necessarily has to be radical in order to be extremist or a terrorist, though. The people who block people's entrance to conservative events by use of force, for example, are often not radical, but supporters of the mainstream ideology, but still extremist, since they violence to combat political opponents. Likewise, Israel bombing children's hospitals in Palestine also does not make them radical, but could be classified as terrorism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hersir View Post
    Really good.

    These meetings and speeches are the equivalent of church and sermons for many of us. I just wish our leaders would create an actual form of sermon (voluntary attendance) at the end of such meetings that expresses this new type of faith we're experiencing, which explains to the world what we're really about, and how we are non-threatening. Perhaps this would stop Antifa from hounding us.

    For example, the British Faith (a sermon) - substitute your nationality for the word "British" and you'll achieve the same thing:

    https://forums.skadi.net/threads/183...=1#post1293751

    All we'd be doing, in reality, is imitating the German Faith movement from the 1930s:

    https://forums.skadi.net/threads/109...33#post1293733

    Hitler, the b-tard, essentially banned the German Faith movement (as he didn't want it aggravating the Church nor competing with his party):

    https://forums.skadi.net/threads/183633-European-Nationalist-Faith?p=1254858&viewfull=1#post1254858

    It is long overdo that we resume the Faith.
    We need a reservation system for our people and our own ethnic-nationalist faith, where we'll have sermons about our people and nations, real history, science, philosophy, etc., in addition to our older religions. Throw in some open bar nights, comedy club hours, music and dance, etc., and it'll be a cracker barrel of good times lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    From what I've gathered, most serious and unbiased definitions of the terms go along these lines:

    Radicalism = Fringe ideology at odds with the mainstream, demanding considerable transformations

    Extremism = Willingness to use force/violence to propagate one's ideology

    Terrorism = Use of force/violence to reach one's ideological goals

    For the people supporting the status quo, there are obvious interests in conflating these terms.

    I don't think one necessarily has to be radical in order to be extremist or a terrorist, though. The people who block people's entrance to conservative events by use of force, for example, are often not radical, but supporters of the mainstream ideology, but still extremist, since they violence to combat political opponents. Likewise, Israel bombing children's hospitals in Palestine also does not make them radical, but could be classified as terrorism.
    Got to disagree with those definitions a bit.
    Radicalism - refers to the root, which means the adherent merely has a solid ideological foundation and conviction. This can be main stream or not.
    Extremism - means that the beliefs or ideology are outside social norms. Or then the Overton window. Meanwhile the Overton window has been shifted so far to the left that political and social beliefs that were taken for granted in Western societies are viewed as "extremist" by Establishment politicians and intellectuals.
    Terrorism is using violence and resulting fear for the advancement of political goals. This is anything from damage to property to bombing people in order to maim or kill them.

    Scandza is doing good work, which explains the responses to it as well.

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    Terrorism is just the most "extreme" form of terrorism, don't you agree? That's why I can't un-link those two. It should be noted, though, that not every extremist is a terrorist (obviously ;-).

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    The definition I go by is similar to what I see mentioned above. It's based upon the Bötticher/Mares definition which both of them hate their political opponents referring to, but which seems like a sensible model nonetheless.

    Radicalism - willingness to tackle things by the root, usually pertaining to ideals that aren't within any current consensus and may or may not be at the fringe of, or beyond the Overton window, and may or may not even be without the constitutional framework of the so-called 'liberal democracy'. This is always legitimate, even from the standards of the hegemony - and the reason why our opponents call everyone an "extremist" that disagrees with them, but insist they're just "radicals".

    Extremism - qualified by two main necessary characteristics: The acceptance, advocation or actual use of political violence to attain ones goals - and the willingness to suppress political others for that means. People who consider political violence as an 'ultima ratio' but are generally open to may or may not fall into this group, depending on whether they wish to "stamp out" other views and how 'ultima ratio' they are: if they're programmatically non-violent, they will still be just "radicals".

    Terrorism - the advocation of and/or application of systematic and potentially excessive violence with the exact goal of instilling horror/terror into political opponents. The very idea is "hurt a few, instill fear into the rest". This doesn't have to be a big bomb going up, though: Some Antifa groups are, per definitionem essentially terrorists. Whether non-acting advocates of accelerationism fall into the terrorist field or are still just 'extremists' is case-to-case.

    This means that all terrorists are radicals and extremists, that radicals generally are neither extremists nor terrorists. Extremists are always radical, but will usually (not yet) be terrorists. Radicalism is OK, perhaps even necessary to some extent; extremism and/or terrorism already contain theoretical and strategic errors even long before the moral question enters into it.
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