View Poll Results: How do you categorize Meds and Semites?

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  • Both are White and Aryan.

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  • Meds are White but not Aryan.

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  • Meds and Semites are White but not Aryan.

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  • Meds are White and Aryan; Semites are neither.

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Thread: What separates Meds from Semites?

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    Post What separates Meds from Semites?

    EDIT : Sorry I mistakingly wrote my post by editting yours, unfortunately I do not have your post now, so you have to redo it. I am really sorry, errors happen.

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    Either all Meds/Semites are white, or none are. It's hypocritical to try and have it both ways.
    I disagree. First of all we would have to determine what really is a Mediterrenean person. Is it an inhabitant of the Mediterrenean Sea including Southern Europe or is Mediterrenean a Racial Categorisation? If it is the former a Mediterrenean person can be White or non-White and that includes various Subraces, if it is a Racial Categorisation a Mediterrenean person must be coherent with other Individuals sharing similar Racial Characteristics and therefore most form part of a generally Racially Homogeneous group. The way I understand Mediterreneans refers to a certain group of White people not necessarily inhabitants of the Mediterrenean. Many inhabitants of the Mediterrenean region are clearly non-White, some inhabitants of Southern Europe are non-White. The statement "Either all Meds/Semites are white, or none are." makes no sense because first of all Meds are either the inhabitants of the Mediterrenean or a Racial Group, and Semites must refer to a specific Race or Subraces of people, which to my knowledge does not, since it is a Linguistic Categorisation.

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    I use Semite to denote the peoples of Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, Jordan, the Arabian peninsula, and Mesopotamia, in their non-mongrelized form. If you would prefer that I call them Arabs, fine. Sephardic Jews are in the same class, though. According to an editorial at skadi.net, Mediterraneans include Jews, and no Nordic should mix with them.

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    LOL I'm sure it was an "accident" eyes:
    Sounds like someone didn't like hearing what they didn't want to hear.... whenever a dago pulls some shit he likes to make it look like an accident x_p like all those accidental bodies in the East River
    Fortunately I happened to have the entire post on my clipboard...
    So here it is in all its glory:

    It's taboo to bring this up among racialist circles that include Mediterraneans, but what exactly distinguishes Mediterraneans from Semites? To me, Western Meds, Eastern Meds, and non-mixed Middle Easterners all seem to be the same general subrace. Linguistic arguments are totally baseless, because Indo-European languages were brought to the Mediterranean countries by more Northern peoples (Danubians in Greece, etc.) In fact, linguistic evidence suggests that pre-IE Med languages like Basque came from Northern Africa. Semitic as a language category does not correspond to racial lines, so don't say that people who speak Arabic are by definition non-White, and those that speak European languages are. The average Lebanese is fairer than the average southern Italian. I frankly think that Meds arbitrarily decided that anyone who came from an historically Christian country was "white" and anyone from an historically Muslim country was a "mud." I haven't really seen any solid arguments as to why Meds are "whiter" than, say, Iraqis. Either all Meds/Semites are white, or none are. It's hypocritical to try and have it both ways.
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    Semite is a linguistic classification. Mediterranean includes people from Ireland to India. Med is broken into different sub-types which include Jews and Arabs.

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    Mediterranean includes people from Ireland to India. Med is broken into different sub-types which include Jews and Arabs.
    Ok, that is the kind of honest answer I was looking for.

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    You are a pseudo-National Socialist. You are insulting the great Mediterranean white men of the past involved in that movement, and the non-Mediterranean white people who associated with them and/or followed them.

    According to the SNPA site, Nordics diverged from Mediterraneans since the end of the last ice age. That is less than 12,000 years ago. That splintering included some morphological changes, but mainly pigment changes in hair and eyes. Historically, "white" refers to groups of people (who seem to be related) with skin pigmentation of a certain value or less. Yes, no one is white like a sheet of paper. What I don't understand is what skin color has to do with eye color or hair color. Granted, very dark, almost black eyes are usually, if not always, associated with groups of humans with skin tones too dark to be considered white (and thus probably not of our clade). What I am getting at is your incinuation that one who does not have both light hair and light eyes, but light skin, all of a sudden loses his status as a white person is absurd.

    Again, what does hair color and eye color have to do with what has historically been seen as the primary, most readily-identifiable-from-a-distance feature (although by no means at all the only salient feature), skin pigmentation?
    So the white race only began when the mutations for light hair and light eyes occured, circa 10,000 YBP? x_rofl

    The fact is there are skeletons that pre-date this that are morphologically white in every way. There are men who have lighter eyes than me who look similar to me, there are men who have darker eyes than I do and who look like me (since I am in the middle here), and guess what: after we all die, in several thousand years anthropologists would classify all of us as Europid.
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    Originally posted by ns1488ca
    Semite is a linguistic classification. Mediterranean includes people from Ireland to India. Med is broken into different sub-types which include Jews and Arabs.
    On SF and many other places, jews are said not to be white. Now maybe you are correct that jews are partially of Medieterranean stock, but they are a mixed group. They are partially mongoloid and negroid. There is a reason that they are referred to as "nonwhite."

    Either you face it and admit that jews, and most arabs are of mixed race, or you claim that jews and arabs are pure Mediterraneans and are thus white, or you claim that they are pure Mediterraneans and state that Mediterraneans are not white in your opinion. Which one is it?

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    You are a pseudo-National Socialist. You are insulting the great Mediterranean white men of the past involved in that movement
    Great. If they were pro-Nordic, why were there Meds involved at all? Kind of hypocritical for Himmler to allow only blonde/blue-eyed people into Lebensborn given his racial condition.

    I really don't care what SNPA says, McCulloch is of British heritage obviously and so wants to feel safe and secure that the Meds in Britain "really are white." Coon was influenced by Childe who was a Marxist who believed that Meds created all European culture.

    Again, what does hair color and eye color have to do with what has historically been seen as the primary, most readily-identifiable-from-a-distance feature (although by no means at all the only salient feature), skin pigmentation?
    Tell me the difference in skin pigmentation between an Armenian or Welshman and a pure Arab. Catherine Zeta-Jones could easily pass for Arab.

    So the white race only began when the mutations for light hair and light eyes occured, circa 10,000 YBP?
    No, the white race began when proto-Caucasians originated in southern Russia. Nordics, East Baltics, Danubians, and similar fair peoples moved into Europe. Darker, divergent elements moved south. These became Arabs, Jews, and the Meds that eventually spread into southern Europe from N. Africa and the Near East.

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    On SF and many other places, jews are said not to be white.
    Right, SF is really in a position to determine who is white, with such fine posters as Proud Italo-Spaniard. x_rofl
    It's arbitrary, they call enemy Meds "non-whites" and friendly mongrels "white."

    Now maybe you are correct that jews are partially of Medieterranean stock, but they are a mixed group. They are partially mongoloid and negroid.
    Mongoloid, yes, but Negroid, what the hell?
    I have yet to observe noticeable Negro blood in a Jew. The average SF "Latin" poster has far more Negro blood than any Jew I've ever seen.

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