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    First of all, thank you velvet for clarifying about the Germans in Russia. Judging by their names, I thought they were ethnic Russians, not Germans, but I didn't make more research on it. I was never so interested in Russia, to be honest...

    So, it seems that having a Slavic name doesn't mean you are Slavic, you can be Germanic too... I guess I forgot the policies in such countries about making all the names sound Slavic, even when people are not Slavic. It happened in Romania too, and especially in the Northern parts of Moldova, which were over the time part of Poland too, and now they are part of Ukraine... Especially in such areas one's name doesn't tell what they are. I guess I was fooled myself too to believe they were Russians because of the names. Eh!


    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonPagan View Post
    Regardless of the history, if I was moving to another country I'd do my homework very thoroughly beforehand to avoid any unpleasant surprises.
    Exactly! However, you can never know how things are going to turn after a while... You can expect them to be in one way or another, but you can never know for sure... Life is full of surprises...


    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    I'd also like my children to be raised in a Christian, conservative culture, in the same way that I was raised by my parents
    My German side of the family is also conservative, much more conservative than Daco-Romanians typically are, among other things... I don't want to say that Daco-Romanian aren't conservative, is just being conservative in another way. I guess it's more of a cultural thing... Germans are a bit more strict on many things, compared to Daco-Romanians, maybe? It is something not so easy to express in words, but that can be easily felt when you are familiar with both cultures. Romanians typically feel me that I am not "one of them", even without knowing anything about me, when seeing me for the first time. When I meet Romanians that I don't know, be it in Romania or outside it, I am almost always considered Germanic. If this is not enough... what else then?


    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    and I wouldn't be happy with subjecting them to (homo)sexual motives at a young age. [...] I became shocked when I heard in the media that kindergarten and elementary school aged children are exposed to homosexuality, drag queens or shown sex toys and taught how to masturbate. At that age, I wasn't even thinking about sex, I still thought that babies were brought by the stork.
    I am also horrified about what they are making out of the education system in Romania... Fortunately there still are private schools, even though not so many... Actually I know people who moved from Romania to Germany just to be able to educate their children in Waldorf schools... and in Norway they have something similar too. Would you let your children go to a normal school in Romania, or would you prefer to invest more and send them to a private school instead? This is also a thing in Norway, but most people send their kids to normal schools. However, how normal schools are nowadays... I think it's really scary! Since I am not married and thus I am not planning to have a family yet, I am less concerned about these, but still... I am thinking about the people around me... and I don't like the situation as it is... Poor kids...


    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    But it's hard to tell someone who is in the situation of the Martens family they've to stay. They've a duty not only towards their nation, but also towards their children and they do their best to protect and raise them properly.
    Good points, Siebenbürgerin! And a very good post!
    Family is the main base of the nation, so... you cannot consider one without the other.


    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    So while Russia is not exactly a paradise, if someone wants to get away from such things they might see it as an option. However, if I were to move to such a country, I'd prefer to find a Germanic community. Another option is, if more Germanics move, to establish a new Germanic community where they could practice their language and culture. At the same time, I'm not sure that moving to a different country is a solution for everyone, and for the long run. Because one can't run away forever, and considering Germany struggles with low birthrates, the more families that leave, the more the population dwindles.
    About Romania I don't worry at all, I think there are enough Romanian children... What worries me more is the typically Germanics, especially Scandinavians. So I'd rather mix my genes with some Scandinavian genes, if I would be to have children, than with something more similar to my background. I guess it would be a win for the Scandinavians anyway, they are the ones not having enough children, not Romanians... Of course, I wouldn't mind a German partner either... or, as I already said many times, adopting Germanic children, if we could afford it, instead of having children myself.


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    Aren't you an immigrant yourself, don't you live in Norway?
    It looks like Siebenbürgerin indirectly answered your question!
    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    Since they're Russia Germans I wouldn't see them as truly immigrants, more like an ethnic minority who returns to their community.
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    However, if I were to move to such a country, I'd prefer to find a Germanic community. Another option is, if more Germanics move, to establish a new Germanic community where they could practice their language and culture.
    Now to make it more clear how these relate to me... No, I don't consider myself an immigrant in Norway, not at all, especially since they had many Germans too over the time (some cities with strong German influence, for example), plus what the Germans began to do in Norway during the Third Reich, and I refer here mainly to Lebensborn. And the same goes for any other Scandinavian country, considering Sweden or Denmark, mainly.

    However, I think I wouldn't move to a non-Germanic country... I'd rather live in a Germanic community in a Germanic country, than in a Germanic community in a non-Germanic country. However, Scandinavian countries are quite scarcely populated, so... one more like me, really, who cares?

    I could understand if Scandinavians were concerned about me "invading" their countries, but so far I had very few reactions like that, even among nationalists... I feel very welcome, I'm not an "invader" and even further away from me just the thought to consider myself one. Germans have lived here too for many centuries, so... I am home!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Víđálfr View Post
    First of all, thank you velvet for clarifying about the Germans in Russia. Judging by their names, I thought they were ethnic Russians, not Germans, but I didn't make more research on it. I was never so interested in Russia, to be honest...

    So, it seems that having a Slavic name doesn't mean you are Slavic, you can be Germanic too... I guess I forgot the policies in such countries about making all the names sound Slavic, even when people are not Slavic. It happened in Romania too, and especially in the Northern parts of Moldova, which were over the time part of Poland too, and now they are part of Ukraine... Especially in such areas one's name doesn't tell what they are. I guess I was fooled myself too to believe they were Russians because of the names. Eh!
    Hm, how do you mistake Martens (their family name) for Russian? This is a perfectly German name.

    Evgeniy and Louisa is mostly spelling-Russian, Luise is a normal German name for a girl, even if nowadays a bit old-fashioned maybe, and Eugen would be normal German name as well, with Evgeniy being just the russified spelling of that name. Nothing particularly Russian about them.

    But you're right that the east-bloc / Soviet Union, but even more so, Poland and the Czech part of then Czecheslovakia (Slovakians scream in pain when you call them Czechs^^) forced a slavisation of the names of the few Germans left in those places. The Slovacs used to be a bit like Finns in this regard, they love Germany. Probably not today anymore with "Mother Terrorisia" (Merkel) wanting to impose migrant quotas on them and all others, but they do remember Hitler helping them to gain independence from the artificial Czechslovakia the first time. And they took the plight of being the poorest country in Europe as "punishment" for the seperation once more, but at least they have their country back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    And they took the plight of being the poorest country in Europe as "punishment" for the seperation once more, but at least they have their country back.
    Poorest country in Europe? I thought it was Moldova, and according to these statistics it is Moldova the poorest, followed by Ukraine... Again, reminiscences from WW2... Romanians fought at the side of Germans much into the Eastern front, and this is the reward they got for it from the Soviet Union: Moldova being split into three different countries, which are also the poorest in Europe. Romania is not on the list thanks to other regions, but Moldova is also the poorest region of Romania... Again, this is the reward we got for fighting on the same side with the Germans on the Eastern front... We took our territories back from Russia during the war, and continued fighting on the Eastern front after that... Antonescu was hardly criticized for this, and he was also shot when the war was lost, but he was a very good military stategist, a very important ally for the Third Reich, and he also knew that if he wanted Transylvania back for his country (which Hitler initially wanted to give to Hungary) he had to convince Hitler about it, by continue fighting until the end... But this is just a small part of the story, things were much more complex... It's a bit shallow to sum up everything just in a few sentences...

    And coming back to Moldova as a separate country ("Republic of Moldova"), the Russian influenced government there made it almost impossible for people to live there, not counting all the intellectuals that were deported to Siberia immediately after WW2... What atrocities the Russians did there... In the more recent years, so many Daco-Romanians from "Republic of Moldova" felt forced to leave the country and move to the West, if not in Romania, at least in other Western countries (Romania is still Western for Republic of Moldova). And the situation in Ukraine, especially in Northern Bucovina (former Moldavian/ Daco-Romanian territory as well) and Southern Basarabia, is not much further from that... Not to mention Transnistria, things are even more messed up there...

    I am especially mentioning this because, besides "the Russian paradise", I've heard nationalists from Western Europe saying that they were thinking to move to "the Ukrainian paradise"... Not really a paradise there either... With the actual governments we have in those three countries (Moldova, Ukraine, Romania) things are willingly kept on that level. And you know what? The Romanian government is intentionally ignoring Moldova too (I mean the part of Moldova which is officially part of Romania)... Moldova (the entire Moldova) has great history, from ancient times until more recent times, and this is what they deliberately make out of it now: the poorest region of Europe, forcing people to leave... Wonder why? It's not so hard to guess...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Víđálfr View Post
    I see that in the Western European countries is like a trend among some nationalists to think about moving to Eastern Europe....
    ... Unless people have really good reasons to do this I don't think it's a good idea.
    Fully agree with you (what comes to Russia). Persons who thinks about that should first watch film The Eternal Road (2017) ... to get some realism.

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    While I can somewhat understand why the family left Germany, on the other hand for the country's birth rates such emigration it is quite a loss. A large family with 9 children is quite unusual for modern day Germany. Our birthrates are dwindling and our population is aging. Add the influx of non-European immigration and pretty soon there will be no more Germans left.

    There might be another alternative. Although I was born in Germany, my ancestors were Volga Germans from Russia, just like this family. My family also raised me in a Christian conservative manner, with simple but traditional morals. Because they abhorred the multicultural, urban lifestyle, they decided to live in the countryside, and educate their children there. Back then, the countryside was still relatively homogeneous ethnically speaking, the immigrants generally disliked the rural area. Smaller towns and villages are known to be more traditional and conservative minded, closer to their ancestral roots, less affected by the LGBT and sex craze.

    What some immigrants said about life in a small German town:

    "They do not like refugees. Especially when they see black they think you are not a human being. They don't respond to us, they are not being nice to us. If you go to the supermarket they look at you like you are nobody, which is very, very bad. But some of them are nice, not all, but the majority are very, very bad."



    Of course a lot of it is exaggerated, but you get the drift.

    Nowadays a number of towns and cities have started to show reluctance to taking in new migrants and refugees. I suppose this was a slowly learned lesson:

    Beautiful German town ‘unrecognisable’ after it accepted 1,200 migrants

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