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    Why Do Some Children of Nationalist/Traditionalist Minded Parents End Up Embracing SJWism?

    As someone who was educated to hold nationalist beliefs, it's hard for me to understand. What's behind it? Peer pressure? Unpopularity? Former liberals can have the excuse they were ignorant and didn't know the truth, but why would someone who was made aware of the truth, and in some cases even actively involved in nationalist activities suddenly turn into a liberal/SJW?

    As a mother, I'd like to as much as possible avoid that when my children grow up, they get infected with the liberal disease. So which do you think is the prime reason why some people raised by nationalists rebel?

    Some famous examples are the former Prussian Blue duo:

    They earned a dubious fame in 2003 with their white power band Prussian Blue, but twins Lamb and Lynx Gaede have apparently turned their backs on their neo-Nazi roots and embraced peace, love and liberalism.

    Now aged 20 and having experienced a string of health problems including cancer, the girls say they’re embracing a hippy lifestyle – with the help of marijuana.

    Both girls have Montana-issued medical marijuana cards and describe themselves as “healers”.

    In 2011, Lynx exclusively told The Daily: “I have to say, marijuana saved my life. I’d probably be dead if I didn’t have it.”

    Lamb added: “We just wanna exert the most love and positivity we can.”

    In the same interview Lamb describes herself as "pretty liberal", while Lynx chipped in with: “Personally, I love diversity! I’m stoked that we have so many different cultures."
    Nazi Twins Lamb And Lynx Gaede Of 'Prussian Blue' Reject White Supremist Roots, Thanks To Marijuana

    and Derek Black:

    When Derek Black was a teenager, it was basically set in stone that he'd become the leader of the American white nationalist movement. His father, Don, ran the hate-site Stormfront out of their family home in Florida, and seemed to spend all his free time ferrying his rhetorically-gifted son around the South to speak at far-right conferences. His godfather, meanwhile, was former KKK Grand Wizard and notorious Louisiana politician David Duke. By the time Derek was 19, he had already won an election to the Republican Party’s executive committee in Palm Beach County on a platform of banning non-European immigration, and he was hosting his own radio show five days per week.

    He was smart, flashy, and unflappable—and making Derek the most famous racist in the world was the project of Don's life.

    That all started to fall apart after Derek spent a few years at the notoriously liberal—but also good and cheap—New College of Florida in Sarasota. Once he was outed and ostracized on a school-wide list-serve, a group of students made it their mission to invite him to a weekly Shabbat dinner. One psychology student named Allison kept engaging with his ideas, and even traveled with him and his parents to a Stormfront conference in Tennessee to get a better idea of how to reach him. Although people thought they were crazy for trying, their plan eventually worked, as a new book by Washington Post journalist Eli Saslow shows. Just as Derek's extremist ideology was becoming mainstreamed in America, he renounced it.
    The White Nationalist Heir Who Rejected His Dad's Vile Bigotry

    A possible answer IMO is peer pressure and the fear of being turned into a social pariah. For example, Derek Black said:

    I’d get up in the morning, and call into my dad’s radio show … and talk about the news … and then go to class and hang out with people who were often strong social justice advocates, and trying to live both of those lives was terrifying because I knew that one day somebody was going to type my name into Google.
    A common reason may be falling in love with a SJW and being influenced by them or even adopting their ideology to be liked by them and make the relationship work.

    When her Orthodox Jewish roommate first started inviting Black to weekly Shabbat dinners, Gornik would hide in her room. Then she started to engage with the famous racist little by little. The two ended up becoming unlikely friends, and eventually partners. All the while, she slowly but surely moved to challenge his beliefs in part by using studies she'd learned about in a class called Stigma and Prejudice. Eventually, though, she felt like she was taking a crash course in the specious arguments used to support white nationalism—and how science could dismantle them.
    I Saved My School's Notorious Racist From White Nationalism

    And of course, being plunged from a conservative minded medium to an overwhelmingly liberal one:

    In an exclusive interview with The Daily, Lynx said: 'My sister and I were home-schooled. We were these country bumpkins. We spent most of our days up on the hill playing with our goats.'

    Lamb echoed: 'I was just spouting a lot of knowledge that I had no idea what I was saying.
    He (Derek Black) very rarely bumped up against people who thought differently than he did. He was homeschooled, and he spent most of his time traveling around the South with his dad. It wasn't really until college that he was spending huge amounts of time with people who were different from him, and people his ideology had dehumanized. If that had happened earlier, my guess is that his transformation would have happened earlier.
    Plus loneliness and isolation:

    The civil resistance on campus was hugely effective. The fact that when he was outed as a white nationalist, that people were able to cast him out, made Derek reconcile with how awful some of his ideas were. It also made him lonely. So that when [a Jewish student named] Matt would ask him to come to dinner, he was much more likely to say "yes."
    Of course in the case of ex-Prussian Blue duo, it was the drugs.

    Lynx was diagnosed with cancer during her freshman year of high school, when doctors removed a tumour from her shoulder; she was prescribed OxyContin and morphine to deal with the pain. She also suffers from a rare condition called cyclic vomiting syndrome.

    About a year ago she began smoking to ease withdrawal symptoms and nausea.

    Lamb, who suffers from 'scoliosis and chronic back pain, lack of appetite and emotional stress', soon acquired a medical marijuana card of her own.

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    Theres the issue of if that "conversion" was even real. Kids have to grow up without getting beaten.

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    The Prussian Blue twins didn't really turn SJW or even anti-white. They just wanted to end that media circus around them and wanted to be left alone, but they still kept being pro-white.

    I find that totally comprehensible. If I was known to the public as a young teenager as "Nazi pop twins" I also would want to stop that and be left alone. They were young teens and wanted their privacy and not be harassed and dragged through the media as "Nazi pop twins" anymore. Which is understandable. But they still kept being pro-white and pro-preservation, they did not turn into SJWs or anti-whites.

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    Plus, it is almost a natural law that children in their late teens and 20s "rebel" against their parents, a matter of dispair already for ancient Greek philosophers two millenia ago. What's new about this day and age (from the '68 revolution onward) is that the 'youth' wins this battle, instead of growing back into "line" with their culture and societal structures.

    This is due to physical processes during puberty that fundamentally restructures the brain, and why puberting kids are pain in the ass for everyone, as well explained in this episode of Brain Game (couldnt find a whole one now, only this snippet), which also pointed out how "naturally liberal" youths are due to this.



    Or, in the words of wisdom from the basement:
    "If you're not a liberal by the time you're twenty, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're thirty, you have no brain. If you're not a nationalsocialist by the time you're fourty, you're subhuman."
    Winston Hitler, made-up character in a second-rate play^^

    Anyway, I guess there's no real universal recipe to counter this "phase" of liberal adolescence, only by teaching the kids actual, positive values yourself, self-respect both on a personal and völkisch level so they grow up stable and rooted and self-confident, awareness of negatives, instead of "hate", which will fall apart on the first occasion the kids meet a "nice" person of foreign origin, specially in those "dangerous" years. Isolation, like Derek's case shows, apparently doesnt help either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    And of course, being plunged from a conservative minded medium to an overwhelmingly liberal one:
    I think this a big reason for young Nationalists losing faith. If they've grown up in a very sheltered environment, and never had their beliefs run in conflict with opposing views, they haven't had the chance to build up a defense for their cause. All of the sudden, they find themselves in a very hostile and confronting environment, challenging their worldview from every possible angle. If they've never received small amounts of vaccines against that beforehand, I can imagine it all becoming too much to handle.

    I also assume some of it might be due to a faulty emphasis in their value system. Nationalism is about love and loyalty towards one's own People. Not hate and dehumanization of others. If the latter is emphasized before the former, the value system itself stand on shaky grounds. People of other Nations and Races are human beings too, with emotions and legitimate concerns, and it doesn't take a lot of interaction with them to realize that. And if all it takes is to become acquainted with racial other, and see them as a person, the worldview didn't have much of a chance to begin with.

    The core tenet of Nationalism is that every Nation has a right and obligation to seek their own preservation and wellbeing. If one is truly convinced of that, it doesn't matter how many Jewish, Hispanic or Black friends one may acquire.
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