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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    I did not understand FS's rationale of being a Lutheran. So she finally came on explaining it. It really was not a dispute. It was about clarification of what it means being a Lutheran in her mind.
    Nope ... you more like questioned my rights to call myself Lutheran. I explained why I do it. I only talked behalf of me/myself. Anyway ... now as Sun has risen from east (new morning here) ... I'm still Lutheran just like my name is xxxxx xxxxx, I have born on day x.x.1998, my parents are xxxx and xxxx, I have passed Finland's 11 years schools system at day x.x.2016, I have driving licence (nro xxxx) , I have passport (nro xxxx) etc.

    When I'm full filling some template/formal ... my personal information part ... and the religion part? If I would not written there (Evangelical-) Lutheran ... I would make a mistake. And as in the end .... one needs to sign/subscribe papers like that ... my deepest apology as I don't want to leave any mistakes on them.

    What schwab or anybody else thinks ... means next to nothing to me!


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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    The biggest failure of Christianity early on was not keeping the greatest commandment:

    "Love your neighbor as yourself".

    Christianity like many other religions got and get trapped in Politics. Religion and politics do not mix.

    Oh, I opposite find it pretty weird that here (not sure about you schwab) are some people who seems to keep themselves as ''real Christians'' and for example .... they still are against immigration/refugees (at least as hard as me) and they even would be ready to shoot people death with their own guns. Yes, that is something which I have felt pretty odd behavior for ''real-Christians'' ... as keeping that sentence above in our minds and several others.


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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    Religion and politics do not mix.
    Marx was very grateful towards christianty to have invented the "civil society", the unpolitical (and atomized) individual, that is no longer part of a wholesome unit (Volk with a common culture and a common belief) but only plays roles, be a parent, be a customer, be a worker, be whatever, but stay away from politics, as if politics would be a seperate thing from maintaining the Volk-Unit.
    Of course christianity, being the invader, imposing itself as the new governing structure, had to act this way and cut it all apart, to gain that power in the first place. And ever since the governed and governers stand in opposition to each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    Religion and politics do not mix.
    Where you have lived that long life of yours?
    Oh, I think they mix pretty ''nicely''. Always been so; always will be so. In its ''purest form'' (if you allow that expression), you don't even know then/where the one will end and another will start...

    Why?

    Just because both have benefited on that. The hardest examples are some Muslim countries where whole nation bases on religion.
    But also among of Christians, nations have used Church and religion to
    a.) control people
    b.) scary people
    c.) justify some ''shitty'' actions against other people (like wars, killings, robberies, slavery etc.)


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    I have lived both in Europe and America. I'm an immigrant.
    America does not have a State religion and does not forbid the exercise of any religion.

    My benefits came from the Constitution and the Constitution only. My living guidelines are rooted in the Scriptures. I have done very well. I'm not controlled by any church, I'm not controlled by any political party, I have a free choice.
    America is still the best place to live and prosper.

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    It is not what Schwab or anybody else thinks........it is what God thinks.

    Churches are supposed to teach the do's and don'ts contained in the Scriptures. Most of them are deviating from those guidelines. Your Lutheran church for instance is now allowing homosexual marriages. I would not even stick around in a church like that.
    Life is not a chess game. You are still too young to even know what life is all about. You believe you have all the answers. I knew it all too when I was 21.
    Trials and tribulations will come your way. Life is full of mountains and valleys. Your so-called credentials will not mean anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    I have lived both in Europe and America. I'm an immigrant.
    America does not have a State religion and does not forbid the exercise of any religion.

    My benefits came from the Constitution and the Constitution only. My living guidelines are rooted in the Scriptures. I have done very well. I'm not controlled by any church, I'm not controlled by any political party, I have a free choice.
    America is still the best place to live and prosper.
    Good for you. How about if you would comment (= justify your answers) .... based on your personal believes/religion ... only to those threads which are directly written in religion sector/part of this forum?
    As elsewhere those kind of replies might feel pretty annoying. If not disturbing...

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    I'm always involved in religious debates whenever they come along in any forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    I'm always involved in religious debates whenever they come along in any forum.
    Fine ... just be conscious that if the thread still is not religious and you go and answer it based on your own religious believes ... some others might not be as nice as me.

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