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    Lightbulb The real date of birth of Jesus Christ : June 11th

    Somewhere between the 20th and 30th of December ,
    usually the night from the 24th into the 25th is considered Christmas .

    Nothing wrong with that , but as one of the three astronomers
    trying to send gifts to the King of the Jews , I would consider
    Christmas as 11th of June 25 or 26 BC ,
    since all the four main planets are travelling into the constellation of Leo ,
    and the Full Moon is in Sagittarius and Capricornus .

    Years 25 or 26 Before Christ because some astronomy programs appear to consider the year Zero a full year of 365 days ,
    and some just the point of midnight from the 31st December year -1 (BC) into the 1st January year +1 (AD) .



    In that case , Christmas would need to be redefined ,
    and the christmas tree might become a soft leaved one ,
    and all the dangerous lights attached to the tree would not be necessary ....




    I am posting from memory,
    so please post any other dates you find using programs like
    * xephem ( Linux )
    * skeye ( Android )
    * Stellarium
    * Cartes du Ciel / Skychart
    * other

    to correct me, if my memory does play me a gadget ....
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    Early on, Christianity has been laced with cults and pagan beliefs, Christmas, Christmas trees, Santa Claus, Easter rabbits and so on...
    The birthday of Jesus has been moved around I don't know how many times. Here is another excerpt from Wikileaks..........

    "....From very early in the Christian era, the Feast of the Annunciation has been celebrated on March 25, commemorating both the belief that the spring equinox was not only the day of God's act of Creation but also the beginning of Christ's redemption of that same Creation.[28] The earliest source stating December 25 as the date of birth of Jesus was Hippolytus of Rome (170–236), writing very early in the 3rd century, based on the assumption that the conception of Jesus took place at the Spring equinox which he placed on March 25, and then added nine months.[29] While the Roman cult of Sol had existed in Rome since the early Republic, it was on 25 December AD 274, the Roman emperor Aurelian made it an official cult alongside the traditional Roman cults.[30]....."







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    Online sky maps

    There are interactive online sky maps available, but they only go back some years in time :

    0100 AD : https://www.stelvision.com/en/sky-map/

    1600 AD :
    https://www.skyandtelescope.com/interactive-sky-chart/
    https://www.heavens-above.com/skychart.aspx

    1800 AD : https://in-the-sky.org/skymap.php

    1900 AD : https://www.skymaponline.net/

    2015 AD : https://theskylive.com/



    Worth to visit :
    * http://www.sky-map.org/
    * https://www.starrynighteducation.com/skychart/
    * https://www.solarsystemscope.com/


    Xephem should picture also older night skies ...
    Xephem Download page : http://www.clearskyinstitute.com/xephem/
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    In Latin and Greek, the Christian celebration was, and still is, called Pascha (Greek: Πάσχα), a word derived from Aramaic פסחא (Paskha), cognate to Hebrew פֶּסַח (Pesach). The word originally denoted the Jewish festival known in English as Passover, commemorating the Jewish Exodus from slavery in Egypt.[26][27] As early as the 50s of the 1st century, Paul the Apostle, writing from Ephesus to the Christians in Corinth,[28] applied the term to Christ, and it is unlikely that the Ephesian and Corinthian Christians were the first to hear Exodus 12 interpreted as speaking about the death of Jesus, not just about the Jewish Passover ritual.[29] In most of the non-English speaking world, the feast is known by names derived from Greek and Latin Pascha.[4][30] Pascha is also a name by which Jesus himself is remembered in the Orthodox Church, especially in connection with his resurrection and with the season of its celebration.[31]
    The entire "messiah" concept is about the "liberation of the Jews". The entire rest is twisted and invented bullshit made a religion. And christians celebrate the anti-civilisation-movement of the Jews against Egypt (and with Paul, against Rome) as if this invention-made-god would be anything else than self-flaggelation and hate for life, called "salvation" and "redemption".

    And we wonder why, despite the Jews being "kicked out" about a thousand times, allegedly, over the centuries, were never gone. Christianity is unable to get rid of its roots, and never will, unless christians reject the Jewish false god, along with the disgusting cult coming with it. Not going to happen. Once trapped in this promise for "peace of mind", the spider keeps spinning its poisonous webs. Christians will be the downfall of Europe. The Jews brought down Egypt with it, and they brought down Rome with it. They brought down Europe with it already, and they will eat the heir of their "roman empire creation" US for breakfast when they're done with Europe.
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    Year 26 BC

    Wikipedia has a page about each year :

    Year 26 BC something happened astronomically ,
    and no page about it exists :

    Astronomy
    August 29 – Christian Cross Asterism (astronomy) at Zenith of Lima, Peru.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20s_BC


    Year 30 BC Cleopatra committed suicide , as Judas Iscariot did
    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Judas-Iscariot
    According to Matt. 27:3–10, he repented after seeing Jesus condemned to death, then returned the silver and hanged himself (traditionally from the Judas tree).

    Year 27 BC the Praetorian Guard had been established , which acted "traitorious" several times .
    Mk 10:18 What do you call me a good master, no-one is good .

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