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    Post Pigmentation: Russia vs Sweden and Norway

    Russia - two main groups

    Ilmen-Dnepr group (stretching from Archangelsk to Kiev)

    Light eyes - 45-57%
    Fair hair - 29-40%

    Valdai group (stretching from Novgorod to Kiev)

    Light eyes - 50%
    Fair hair - 40%

    + Don-Sursk group (with Med. admixture) (concentrated in Southern Central Russia in the Ryazan-Tambov-Penza region)

    Light eyes - 50%
    Fair hairs - 29%

    Scandinavia: eyes

    Sweden

    Retzius and Fürst found 67 per cent of light eyes, 29 per cent of mixed, and 4 per cent of dark. In the first category were presumably included light eyes wit a slight spotting, as in the Martin numbers 13 and 14. The Lundborg and Linders study, made with a different observational scheme,61 raised the first category to 87 per cent, and the third to 5 per cent.**

    **1 = light iris (blue, gray, pale yellow, or green), also light iris with insignificant brown spots, points, or patches; 2 = mixed iris and light iris with brown aureole; 3 = light brown or dark iris." L. & L., p.10. )

    Norway

    In eye color as in hair color, the native farmers art lighter than the recruits, with 86.5 per cent of light and light-mixed eyes (Martin #12-16) as against 76 per cent. Of the recruits, 38.5 per cent have pure light eyes (Martin #15-16). This is by no means the Lightest-eyed region in Norway. This material shows us what had been previously suspected, that the Nordic eye must be considered light mixed in typical form, rather than pure light. According to Bryn the commonest form of unpigmented eye found in this region is a light blue one, with large meshes and iris fibers set quite far apart, so that the iris pattern appears open.


    Scandinavia: hairs

    FISCHER Nos.........DESIGNATION...........SWEDEN ..........NORWAY
    12-25....................flaxen............ ...........6.9 %.............27.9 %
    7-11, 26................light brown................62.5............... .50.0
    5-6........................brown (medium).......25.1................17.2
    4...........................brownish black............2.0.................3.7
    27-28.....................black............ .............0.2.................0.1
    1-3.........................red........... ................3.3.................1.3
    ======================================== =====

    While it can be rather difficult to correlate avalable figures with great precision, I still may make the conclusion that the basic Russian types (there are more fair, and less fair types too, but it's exactly the basic, most numerous types) are somewhat less pure-light-eyed than Swedes and Norses (and have a bit more brown eyes), but much more fair, and thus, on average, significantly blonder, even in comparison with Norway.

    PS. But Finns are even more fair :-))

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    It seems reasonable to me. I am familiar with a fair number of dark-haired Swedes, including a couple in my family. Isn't Finland the most lightly-pigmented nation in the world?

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    What about someone who is dark haired and pure light eyed? x_p
    Why don't they just go by Blue, Green, Grey, Brown, etc.... instead of "light and mixed" it's kind of a stupid system because you can't tell how many really have blue eyes, blue is the only color I'd really be concerned about. Green eyes are more rare anyway though.
    Last edited by GreenHeart; Wednesday, February 12th, 2003 at 02:44 AM.

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    NordischesBlutundEhre,

    Yeah, it's Finland, or rather certain Finnish, Estonian, Latvian and Russian groups.

    NordicPower88,

    What about someone who is dark haired and pure light eyed?

    And what about them??

    Why don't they just go by Blue, Green, Grey, Brown, etc....

    Why? They go...

    blue is the only color I'd really be concerned about

    blue eyes are watery, grey eyes like steel, they're powerful and stern... and blue eyes are naive and simple, eyes of peasantry, Russian Nobility always preferred crystal grey eyes, they're noble, eyes of warriors... ever seen Peter O'Tool in "How to steal a million?" His blue eyes are hopless? :-)))

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    SLAVIA VS GERMANIA

    The hair is blond to medium brown, especially the latter (Saller-Fischer chart A-O), in over 60 per cent, except for the North Frisian parish of Bökingharde, where it is darker; red hair runs as high as 7 per cent on Spiekeroog. The eyes are pure blue or light-mixed in 70 per cent to 80 per cent of instances. The Frisians are among the blondest people in the world.

    And that's the blondest segment of Germania!

    40% of hairs are dark (darker than medium brown), and 20-30% of eyes are dark/dark-mixed!

    Oh, NordicPower88, I understand your sentiment now... those inferior black headed Germans! Grrrrrr....

    RUSSIA VS BRITAIN

    In the large, regional studies of British eye color, 62 per cent of English are called light eyed, and 34 per cent dark.

    Fair hair, representing golden, ashen, and also light brown hues, varies from 5 per cent to 47 per cent. Well over 25 per cent is typical of the North Sea coast, while in Cornwall it runs from 10 per cent to 15 per cent. Among English blonds, golden hair is far commoner than the ashen variety, but ash-blondism is by no means absent, nor as rare as in Ireland.

    What a swarthy bunch those Brits! It was a big mistake to absorb so much Meds!

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    What a swarthy bunch those Brits! It was a big mistake to absorb so much Meds!
    LMAO!!! It's so true though....

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    Originally posted by NordischesBlutundEhre
    LMAO!!! It's so true though....
    Or were it Jews?

    No, really, some fellas on BBC Prime really scare me...

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    Those Russian blonds are not of the Nordic subrace, but of the East Baltic subrace - and so are non-Aryan.

    The BBC director said that the organisation was "horribly White" when he took over; therefore the controllers have endeavoured to put as many 'ethnics' on screen as possible - it is not representative.
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    Originally posted by Moody Lawless
    Those Russian blonds are not of the Nordic subrace, but of the East Baltic subrace - and so are non-Aryan.
    Of course, Ilmem-Dnepr/Upper_Volga/Don-Sursk Russians are not of the Nordic Race, as they are Slavs, predominatly of the Aryan Race...

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    I was referring to those who called themselves "Aryans" - the Vedic Aryans who were of the Nordic/Irano-Afghan subraces.

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