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    Israel, the Old Testamental Moon

    Everyone knows at least a little bit about ABRAHAM .

    The story reads also as Abraham being the heaven's vault , married

    * with Haggai as the swift breeze or simply the air , giving birth to Ismael as the white cloud

    * with Sarai as the thunderstorm , giving birth to Isaak as the darkness and night .


    Rebekka is the daylight and gives birth to the Gemini Esau the Red Sun and Jacob the White Moon

    Rebecca is also the constellation of Leo , following the Cancer Isaak in the twilight into his tent of Night ,
    veiling herself with shades of twilight .



    The narrative in the Book of Genesis revolves around the themes of posterity and land. Abraham is called by God to leave the house of his father Terah and settle in the land originally given to Canaan but which God now promises to Abraham and his progeny. Various candidates are put forward who might inherit the land after Abraham; and, while promises are made to Ishmael about founding a great nation, Isaac, Abraham's son by his half-sister Sarah, inherits God's promises to Abraham. Abraham purchases a tomb (the Cave of the Patriarchs) at Hebron to be Sarah's grave, thus establishing his right to the land; and, in the second generation, his heir Isaac is married to a woman from his own kin, thus ruling the Canaanites out of any inheritance.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham





    The Jacob will be renamed to Israel later on , and his sons are the zodiac star constellations :

    * Sagittarius : Naphtali
    * Capricornus : Zebulon
    * Aquarius : Gad
    * Pisces : Ruben
    * Aries : Simeon
    * Plejades : Aaron, Levi
    * Taurus : Ben-Jamin
    * Gemini : Ephraim & Manasse
    * Cancer : Joseph
    * Leo : Juda
    * Virgo : Dan
    * Libra : Is-Asser
    * Scorpio : Asser
    Mk 10:18 What do you call me a good master, no-one is good .

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    @ Uwe Jens Lornsen

    Interesting Thread.
    Could you explain what it means being an "Philosophical Archaic Christian" .
    I never heard of that before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    @ Uwe Jens Lornsen

    Interesting Thread.
    Could you explain what it means being an "Philosophical Archaic Christian" .
    I never heard of that before.

    Hmmm, "Philosophical Archaic Christian" means somewhat Christian from the early Middle Ages or Iron Age ,
    when the stories of both scripts had not been translated ,yet .

    At that time , Christianity might have meant something different each different location .


    Today , one might compare Hagar as the Christians, carrying Ishmael on her shoulder ( White Man's Burden ) ....


    Paul in his letter let's the Mount Sinai carry the cloud 'on her shoulder' , but the hill cannot move to find water, so that Ishmael grows again ,
    after being driven out by the thunderstorm called "Sarah" , which then would mean that the surname of "Sarah" is not for the nice girls ... .

    Interesting find on the net :
    Galatians 4:21-31 – An Allegory of Sarah and Hagar

    Summary

    Those who belong to Christ are children of Abraham through the promise, while those who insist on circumcision are still enslaved under the law.

    ....

    In doing so he blends scriptural and traditional narrative detail about the two sons of Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael (see Genesis 16-17, 21), with symbolic theological reflection related to the distinction of flesh and Spirit that runs through Galatians. Accordingly, Ishmael, as the son of the slave woman, is born "according to the flesh," while Isaac, the son of the free woman, is born "through the promise" (4:23).

    Interpreting this story as an allegory, and picking up the argument of Galatians 3:15-17 with its reference to "will" or "covenant," Paul says that these two mothers and their sons symbolize two covenants, one corresponding to Sinai, the law, and slavery; the other corresponding to the heavenly Jerusalem, the promise, and freedom.

    ....

    25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia* and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, ....
    https://www.enterthebible.org/Contro...original_id=10


    That above summary is also self destructible , claiming people with no children are free , while the people with children are enslaved :
    ‘Rejoice, you childless one, you who bear no children,
    burst into song and shout, you who endure no birth pangs;
    for the children of the desolate woman are more numerous
    than the children of the one who is married.’
    That interpretation is somewhat correct, because children are enslaving parents by occupying time and ressources .
    But without children the Christianity will vanish into such small amount of members, as those are in the Middle East .

    Here , a philosophical approach is needed , to find a way to the correct loyalty ,
    and even the traitor Judas just did what Jesus commanded him to do ....
    Mk 10:18 What do you call me a good master, no-one is good .

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    Thanks, I appreciate your explanation.
    I'm wondering too sometimes about what is missing thru the early translations and interpretations of Scriptures.

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    PFFFff! Wesp and Spider in Battle and Nürnberg, Germany, 1561. For the mentally impaired:

    That's a metaphor. And it's about a mystery in Nuremberg at that time.

    in national language...
    NS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM4P6sdmVaI
    "Glaser, Hans: Erscheinung am Himmel bei Nürnberg am 14. April 1561" -
    http://www.zeno.org/Kunstwerke/B/Gla...14.+April+1561

    Inspirativ of a Human. Music is a source of relief
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvHeQOigbD4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-O16Hi1U_8
    Ant, collective, human collective, everything works Mäh, Määh!

    Interesting is the concentration of the buildings for mass events there by the Nationalsocialists (Nationalsozialisten). Cargo-culture? Replica? ..No.Yes. No. Ah .. Spider and the Wesp metaphor.

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    22 hours ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-O16Hi1U_8 inserted by me. No longer available. Why? A soldier (obviously) from Jin-Roh (comic / anime, Japan) and aggressive, rhythmic music? Because of the background? Black sun? Hate speeches? It was just a music / melody / Ryhtmus. Nothing was said. I foresaw that and added a music that can not be easily deleted because of "hate speeches".

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    Meh as Lunar deity

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordmann View Post
    22 hours ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-O16Hi1U_8 inserted by me. No longer available. Why? A soldier (obviously) from Jin-Roh (comic / anime, Japan) and aggressive, rhythmic music? Because of the background? Black sun? Hate speeches? It was just a music / melody / Ryhtmus. Nothing was said. I foresaw that and added a music that can not be easily deleted because of "hate speeches".
    Dieses Video wurde entfernt, weil es gegen die YouTube-Richtlinien zu Hassreden ("Hate Speech") verstößt. Hier erhältst du weitere Informationen zur Bekämpfung von Hassreden in deinem Land.

    Das tut uns leid.
    Written things last longer than videos .

    Nevertheless, am wondering about your two comments :
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondgottheit
    Iran/Persien: In der Literatur, hierbei sowohl in alten avestischen als auch in persischen Texten, erscheint der Mond als die Gottheit Māh/Māonghah/Māvangh.
    In Persia, Mäh is considered a lunar deity .... , though you seem to use it as expression of disgust .
    Mk 10:18 What do you call me a good master, no-one is good .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe Jens Lornsen View Post
    Written things last longer than videos .

    Nevertheless, am wondering about your two comments :
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondgottheit

    In Persia, Mäh is considered a lunar deity .... , though you seem to use it as expression of disgust .
    Misunderstanding.

    See in the context of the standpoint of a superior astronaut species .... Consider it as a man with a microscope on Terra / Earth / Planet 3 of Sol.

    And what does he look like among himself, perhaps from the Moon (Moon = Observatory of Terrestrial Organisms)? My parable:

    Ants. Ants collectives. = Humans. People collectives.

    And I put myself in their role, mentally: And I mimicked the lute of the animal sharp: "Mäh, Määh", devaluing to the people's collective, mocking!

    Interesting in the context is a personal experience a few days ago this week. I have to make sketches of the webs. The gibberish that they fed into my subconscious mind. With the conscious but can not do anything. Oh ... maybe it was just a dream. Just as humanity was / is a dream.

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