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    Nobody Wants to Study English Anymore

    'Less fun' English declines as choice for A-level pupils

    Authors and teachers’ leaders have called for urgent action to reverse the dwindling popularity of English in sixth forms after it emerged that there had been a 13% decline this summer in entries for all types of English A-level.

    Ministers are being urged to review recently reformed English GCSEs because of concerns that the new qualifications are “sucking the joy” out of the subject and may be putting students off pursuing it at a higher level.

    According to provisional data from the exams watchdog Ofqual, entries for English language A-level dropped from just under 18,000 in 2018 to less than 14,000 this year. Uptake was also down for English literature, from 41,000 to 37,500, while combined English language and literature dropped from 9,000 to 7,600.

    “We should be very, very concerned at this drop in the study of English,” said the author and former teacher Joanne Harris, whose works included the best-selling novel Chocolat. “This, combined with the loss of so many public libraries, could be the start of a catastrophic decline in the quality of our secondary students, graduates and future colleagues and employees.”

    The award-winning poet, novelist and teacher Kate Clanchy, who is writer-in-residence at Oxford Spires Academy, where she sees the impact of the reformed GCSEs on pupils, said: “English has just been made less fun. It’s hard to describe just how deeply disastrous it is. English is under pressure in universities as well. We need these people to come through.”

    This year’s A-level cohort, who will receive their results on Thursday, were the first to sit the new GCSE English qualifications introduced in 2017 as part of the former education secretary Michael Gove’s sweeping qualification changes, which were intended to make exams more rigorous and challenging.

    Teachers have since expressed concerns that the new GCSE English language exam is focused too heavily on analysis of historical texts, while English literature involves memorising large amounts of content. The changes, they say, have hit the least able the hardest.

    One assistant headteacher said: “GCSE English language is sucking the joy out of the study of how we communicate: the power and beauty in words. English literature favours those with excellent memories; it has reduced our most magnificent pieces of writing to a collection of quotations.”

    Geoff Barton, the general secretary of the Association of School and College Leaders, said: “It is right that we should have the highest aspirations for all our students, but this should not equate to turning exams into a joyless slog. We are concerned that the current GCSE specifications are failing to encourage a love of English in young people and this year’s entries at A-level appear to confirm our fears.”


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    What is less fun about it? How exactly did it change? Looking for some kind of reference point.

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    Englishes ar difikult, ya. Gud ting I waz gud in skoole,
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    'Urgent action'? Just make the goddamn thing compulsory. If you're staying at school to a level that gets you ready for university and/or white-collar jobs, then you should be able to use your native tongue to the degree of a standard classical education and beyond. Simple as.

    Yea, I guess the problem perhaps isn't people whose native tongue is English as much as people of foreign extraction long happy with their parallel society where they don't need English. But even if you were going to go the 'civic route' of trying to integrate and/or assimilate the bunch, command of the language of the land is a prerequisite of even getting a possibility of making that work in rare, individual cases.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Should we all learn Esperanto?
    It was well underway in Europe in the fifties.
    Most of the Esperanto vocabulary is from French and English. But there are also many words from German and Slavic languages. Plus a sprinkling of others. Ultimately most of the vocabulary is from Romance languages (descended from Latin), so if you know any Romance language, you have a head start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    Should we all learn Esperanto?
    It was well underway in Europe in the fifties.
    Most of the Esperanto vocabulary is from French and English. But there are also many words from German and Slavic languages. Plus a sprinkling of others. Ultimately most of the vocabulary is from Romance languages (descended from Latin), so if you know any Romance language, you have a head start.
    Esperanto had somewhat of a cult following after his inception - and there was even an "NS Esperanto Bund" for a short time around their Machtergreifung despite the fact that Zamenhof himself was of Jewish extraction AND despite the fact that it was mostly leftists hyping it for most of the time.

    At the end of the day it's a failed attempt of establishing a European-language based lingua franca for the most part. It's interesting learning it - and surprisingly simple to do so - and I once took a course therein at university, but for everyday usage it's completely useless.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    I, too, found Esperanto to be an interesting and ridiculously easy language to pick up. But, as Sigurd just noted, for everyday use it falls flat. There simply aren't enough Esperanto speakers to provide even a minimum of daily interaction needed for a good command of it (there are enclaves in Europe here and there, but other than those, nada). As an auxiliary language (not a primary language), as it was intended to be, it's perfectly adequate- but without a large enough base of users, it will remain only a linguistic curiosity for most.

    An interesting side note on Esperanto: The US Army used Esperanto for a time as the language of the 'Opposing Forces' for training and would send radio messages and documents by courier in the field. In the early 80's I was in the Marines and happened to be taking part in an exercise against Army 'OpFor'- and that was during a time when I was elbow-deep in learning the language. Soon I found myself whisked up to Headquarters to listen in on their radio communications and to translate documents (which they were not bright enough to code and THEN translate to Esperanto). We figured out what they were up to and gave them a sound thrashing in the field; they had no idea we had their 'Enigma' machine
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    My brother who was a teacher, spoke Esperanto fluently. He tried to get me involved but I did not believe that it could survive as an universal language for Europe.

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    What is less fun about it? How exactly did it change? Looking for some kind of reference point.
    School subjects are not supposed to be 'fun'. This is all part of the dumbing down process.

    I'm 10 years out of touch now but the infantilisation of school students was already underway, even back then.

    It all ties in with multiculturalism of course, and the attempt to reduce academic standards down to the lowest common denominator.

    I dread to think how they intend to make English Literature 'fun' but it can only be at the expense of learning the subject matter.

    It almost defies parody but I can foresee E.L. exam questions of the future on the lines of: "What would William Shakespeare be writing about if he was alive today?" (suggested PC answers: Racism & Global Warming, with extra marks for doing a nice drawing)

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    More than a few people have suggested that we can cripple the entire younger generation by eliminating the internet, writing everything in cursive, and going back to stick shift transmissions. Us old folks would rule the world again.
    When someone asks, "What would Jesus do?" remind them that flipping tables and chasing people with a whip is entirely possible.

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