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    The Moral Dilemma Of Banning 8chan

    THE MORAL DILEMMA OF BANNING 8CHAN

    Cybersecurity provider Cloudflare got applause for pulling service from the famously hateful message board. But could this move mean more dangerous censorship down the line?

    The anonymous online message board 8chan—where the perpetrators of terror attacks in El Paso, Texas, Christchurch, New Zealand, and Poway, California, allegedly were active users and posted manifestos just before carrying out acts of violence—was shut down Monday by its cybersecurity provider, Cloudflare.

    8chan was a place where alt-right users and white supremacists could openly discuss and spread their ideology. Cloudflare chief executive Matthew Prince published a blog post explaining the company's rationale for terminating 8chan as a customer; in Prince's account, 8chan has proven "to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths." Even though 8chan may not have violated any laws, Prince wrote, it deserved to be shut down.

    After 8chan was shuttered, the Anti-Defamation League was quick to support Cloudflare's decision.

    While applauding Cloudflare, ADL chief executive Jonathan Greenblatt called for further action within the tech and financial industries to prevent platforms from being abused by white supremacists, since Greenblatt considers the proliferation of intolerance on the Internet to be a preventable harm.

    "8chan is sort of the septic tank of the Internet. It's a cesspool for some of the worst elements in society to talk about things like child pornography and violent extremism and the ideology around it," Greenblatt told CNN. "But there's a whole value chain that makes services like 8chan work, and there's more things that could be done: The banks and the financial institutions which allow dollars to flow into these services, they should shut them down. The hosting companies that put them up online should shut them down. At the ADL, we really see that the front line in fighting hate is really the Internet."

    Still, some observers worry that Cloudflare's decision to ban 8chan will set an ultimately harmful precedent for Internet censorship. Even Prince himself told the New York Times that he worries his action could pave the way for a repressive Middle Eastern government to ask Cloudflare to remove protections for LGBT websites that such a government might consider "lawless."

    Ali Breland, who covers Internet disinformation for Mother Jones, wrote a column in May of 2019 explaining how blocking sites like 8chan could backfire. One argument Breland raises is that such action could play into the narratives of white supremacist users who claim they are being victimized, and who can gain momentum when oppressed.

    In the same vein, Prince's blog post discusses an incident two years ago, in which Cloudflare discontinued services for the neo-Nazi, white supremacist website the Daily Stormer, which is now back online through a Cloudflare competitor and brags that it currently enjoys "more readers than ever."

    Prince wrote in his post that he is aware that this is probably just a temporary roadblock for 8chan, and that, while his move is necessary and takes weight off his shoulders, it doesn't solve the larger problem of preventing hate on the Internet. In order to find a better solution, he calls for tech companies to work with policymakers to better define and enforce the area of the law surrounding unmoderated online platforms.


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    One thing I always notice, any time a politician or some news agency talks about any website, or something relating to a website (such as polls or petition results) they ALWAYS do so under the idea that only US citizens are on them. Such should be expected from people who do not appear to use the internet. All of the forums that I am active on, the users are from all over the world and this is true of most forums and imageboards, especially the ones that the news has been targeting lately.

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    Prince wrote in his post that he is aware that this is probably just a temporary roadblock for 8chan, and that, while his move is necessary and takes weight off his shoulders, it doesn't solve the larger problem of preventing hate on the Internet. In order to find a better solution, he calls for tech companies to work with policymakers to better define and enforce the area of the law surrounding unmoderated online platforms.
    It's called free speech, moron.

    It's a shame that 8chan was shoad. I rarely visited it because it's next to impossible to find something specific in that hell of a chaos. I wonder whether there are backups of the posts, or the posting system for that matter, and whether it will see a rebirth. Maybe they're going to set up their own server with gab's server edition? At least then no one can come and shut it down just so again. Open only from 1am to 5am though to only consume cheap night power LOL. Whatever, hope they're going to set up something new, just to piss off the domestic terrorist organisation ADL.
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    Cloudflare Says Cutting Off Customers Like 8chan is an IPO 'Risk Factor'

    Networking and web security giant Cloudflare says the recent 8chan controversymay be an ongoing "risk factor" for its business on the back of its upcoming initial public offering. From a report:The San Francisco-based company, which filed its IPO paperwork with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission on Thursday, earlier this month took the rare step of pulling the plug on one of its customers, 8chan, an anonymous message board linked to recent domestic terrorist attacks in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio, which killed 31 people. The site is also linked to the shootings in New Zealand, which killed 50 people. 8chan became the second customer to have its service cut off by Cloudflare in the aftermath of the attacks. The first and other time Cloudflare booted one of its customers was neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer in 2017, after it claimed the networking giant was secretly supportive of the website.

    "Activities of our paying and free customers or the content of their websites and other Internet properties could cause us to experience significant adverse political, business, and reputational consequences with customers, employees, suppliers, government entities, and other third parties," the filing said. "Even if we comply with legal obligations to remove or disable customer content, we may maintain relationships with customers that others find hostile, offensive, or inappropriate."
    Techcrunch.

    Because CloudFlare controls access to roughly one third of the internet, and pretty much gets to dictate who has the right to say or access what and how on vast swathes of the internet and how. They've become the de-facto censor of the internet, and they obey a logic of money-making business, not one of free speech protection, however hard they'd have you think otherwise.

    Don't believe me? Try browsing normal sites through Tor: it's a total nightmare - recaptcha'ed page after recaptcha'ed page, all courtesy of CloudFlare.

    Trump should have come down on these companies like CloudFlare, Google etc. already.

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    What makes free speech important is the very grievances that are being aired by people like us, who understand that we are under attack as a people. When those grievances are ignored or silenced, there is no peaceful recourse available. You just have a tyranny of ideas based upon what is acceptable to Jewish supremacists like those at the ADL, and shutting us up simply proves our point. How typical that they declare financial war as well, suing us and impoverishing us for daring to speak the truths that condemn them. They use their bloody pulpit of Jew-owned and controlled media to defame us and twist everything we say and label it "hate speech," and our own people side with them, the enemies of their very existence, because they are conditioned to respect the authority of the big corporations and well-funded "Jewish groups," simply BECAUSE they are well-funded. Here we are, slaves in our own nations, because the enemy controls the media, finance, and government. There are scores of well-funded "Jewish groups," yet any group formed to support OUR rights is quickly defamed and crushed using financial means and through Jewish bullying of politicians, who all know damned well that the Jews control the media and the purse strings of their funding.
    Most people think as they are trained to think, and most people make a majority.

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