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    I tried to explain to "Swede" the difference between a sale and a gift.

    Russia is made of many ethnic and religious groups. It is a challenge for any Russian leader/Government to keep it all together. The bolshevik revolution did not solve any problems. Who knows what is going to happen in the near future. Russia needs a strong leader, Putin is there for the time being, doing a good job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GroeneWolf View Post
    From what I understand, alto the Crimea before that year was never part of any of the Russian states, it is claimed by some to be the birthplace of the Russian ethnic group. Alto they share that alleged birthplace with several other groups. What do you know about that?
    Now keep in minds I'm just 21 years old woman. Even blond. I don't know all.

    But I'm ''beastly'' ... I debated (and same time) with 4 Russian members in Loki's Apricity forum ... after 20 pages one of them even gave me credits. Saying I know more about Finland - Russian relationships and history than average Russian men in forums like these (ones who have been someway interest in history and politics).

    Ok. Honestly?

    a.) I have not been very keen on study ''birthplaces'' of the Russian (slavic) ethnic/ethnics groups.
    Why?
    Just because I think the knowledge like that means nothing. Or it should mean nothing (today).
    Why?
    Just because Russians (slavic) are EXACTLY one who have arrogated the birthplaces of other ethnics to themselves ... as creating their present Empire. Nope, I don't think they have any rights to talk that ways. This case is closed what comes to me.

    Crimea? There have been earlier Greeks, Tatars, Turks, Mongols, Goths ... who else? It was part of East Rome? Sorry; I don't remember more.


    b.) What comes to this last episode of Crimea ... the only thing which mattered was the cold fact that Crimea and Sevastapol's Navy military base were just too important/too valuable to Russians Empire ... for its strategic and its best interest. Russians whole Black Sea's navy based and bases on that. Loosing that they would have lost their influence/importance/power in Black Sea area. Empire like Russia simply could't allow that happen. All the rest are window-dressing .... blaah blaah talks ... to make their action someway more ''justified'' & ''acceptable''.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    I tried to explain to "Swede" the difference between a sale and a gift.

    Russia is made of many ethnic and religious groups. It is a challenge for any Russian leader/Government to keep it all together. The bolshevik revolution did not solve any problems. Who knows what is going to happen in the near future. Russia needs a strong leader, Putin is there for the time being, doing a good job.
    One question.

    Why Russia (Empire) should stay in one piece? What good it has caused so far (or would/could cause in the future)... as you seems to want/wish/hope that?

    For sure nothing to its neighbours, nothing to its own small ethnics, very little to average Russians (some are pretty badly brainwashed) ... only very small elite lives their luxury lifes ... having huge fortunes. Otherwise the country sucks and pretty badly. With all its raw materials and natural resources ... it should do much much better.

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    There are so many small ethnic and religious enclaves in Russia that could never govern themselves, one group would start fighting another group.Name:  mapRF-eng.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    There are so many small ethnic and religious enclaves in Russia that could never govern themselves, one group would start fighting another group.Name:  mapRF-eng.jpg
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    Those which would really be too small could be part of one a bit bigger one (closest to them). Some fights? Maybe so ... but by then there are (or more like have been caused) reasons for those via Russians era.

    Keep in mind:

    * Estonians 1,3million people
    * Latvians 1,95million
    * Lithuanians 2,8million people

    ... those countries citizens are doing just fine (after they got away from Russians' Empire). Better than average people in Russia. And totally without Russian huge natural resources.


    The only one who would loose are:

    * Russians present elite. Big time (as now they are stealing huge sums of money into their own pockets).

    * Slavic Russians ... as they are the first group in Russia (inner hierarchy) and were that in Sovjet Union time. They feel ''proud'' then Russia is strong internationally (military etc.). Despite of fact it will not give them anything back (individually). This is pure mental issue. The only one they can feel proud of ... as all the rest sucks.

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    And if we think about maps ... these 2 are good to keep in minds:





    Russians Empire has never developed to its present form ''naturally'' via all those different ethnics free wills. It has based on pure conquest politics ... like more a less every empire of humans. It is pretty normal that those who are leaders of it .... tries to keep it in one piece and talks very positively about it (how all of a piece it is). As that is their own best interest. The reality might be differ .... plus small cultures and languages are dying/disappearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    What comes to this last episode of Crimea ... the only thing which mattered was the cold fact that Crimea and Sevastapol's Navy military base were just too important/too valuable to Russians Empire ... for its strategic and its best interest. Russians whole Black Sea's navy based and bases on that. Loosing that they would have lost their influence/importance/power in Black Sea area. Empire like Russia simply could't allow that happen. All the rest are window-dressing .... blaah blaah talks ... to make their action someway more ''justified'' & ''acceptable''.
    Now imagine the criminal NATO and Killary Clinton had gotten their dirty fingers on Sevastopol, leaving only the Black Sea and NATO member Turkey to fly over to bomb Syria, Iraq and Iran to dust - driving out not only the 3+ million of 2015, but 50+ mio, straight into Europe.

    We better be grateful that Putin reclaimed Crimea and not let that happen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Now imagine the criminal NATO and Killary Clinton had gotten their dirty fingers on Sevastopol, leaving only the Black Sea and NATO member Turkey to fly over to bomb Syria, Iraq and Iran to dust - driving out not only the 3+ million of 2015, but 50+ mio, straight into Europe.

    We better be grateful that Putin reclaimed Crimea and not let that happen!
    Velvet: we can start to speculate (if you want ... oh; I have pretty long list waiting about from year 1000 ... concerning exactly Russians!) ... but by then that is pure speculation.

    Any speculations will not give any rights to Russians act like they did!

    What comes to immigration/refugees? For Europeans (survival of us ... race wise?) .... the only option here is to close our borders. Fully. Being ready to ''shoot'' as protecting those borders ... if/then needed. Basically accepting = there are no equal rights to all human beings in the name of humanity or what Churches/Christian religion are teaching us today. Otherwise it is just a question of time then all will break down. Finally the global warming and drying of non-Europeans areas (making those uninhabitable) will put non-Europeans move to North (if not crises and wars before). Add that to continuous population growth in those same areas. Nope, we can not avoid from that future. No matter how much we would hope for it. Thinking opposite is like a rabbit which will put his head into the bushes (and then think he needs to be safe/hided from predators).

    How we'll act, counts all. Not what happens around of us. If some 50+ mio muslims in the borders of Europe would't awaken us ... then we have lost already. Just waiting for executioner/hangman to arrive.

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    NATO was useful at one time. It needs to be disbanded now. Let the Europeans defend their own country. The US was not created to be the policeman of the world

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    Putin will be visiting in Finland next Wednesday. The presidents have met at least once annually ... which is uncommon between any EU-country and Russia.

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