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    Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler



    The Life And Death Of Heinrich Himmler - David Irving (DVD)






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    The Life And Death Of Heinrich Himmler - David Irving (DVD ...

    https://archive.org/details/TheLifeAndDeathOfHeinrichHimmlerDavidIrv ing




    The talk itself was on the subject of 'The Life and Death of Heinrich Himmler' and this particular version of the talk was only, until now, available on DVD. It was filmed live before an audience at Niagara Falls, New York, in June 2012 - in English, and lasting about 82 minutes.

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    Thanks very much for posting this. Irving is always fascinating to listen to... a very good storyteller who hates liars and propagandists perhaps even more than I do. He should. They put him in prison for his dedication to finding the real truths beneath the fog of war.

    Couldn't help myself screen-capping this... here's to the Jews and other liars who hate those who discredit them...


    Most people think as they are trained to think, and most people make a majority.

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    Thanks for posting ... I'll have to watch it later.


    I see the vid has the warning about being "offensive" to some viewers and some features have been turned off ;-)

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    Himmler quote:

    We have only one task, to stand firm and carry on the racial struggle without mercy. Heinrich Himmler.



    I have not tolerated an atheist in the ranks of the SS. Every member has a deep faith in God, in what my ancestors called in their language Waralda, the ancient one, the one who is mightier than we are. Heinrich Himmler .



    Himmler referring to Wralda





    Himmler speaking at Heydrich's funeral, 9 June 1942.



    In the following quotes, Heinrich Himmler (1900-1945) referred to WR.ALDA, the supreme 'deity' of the OLB.

    If indeed he (and through him the SS) was inspired by the OLB concept of a higher power, it would be understandable if established authorities rather have the OLB (a.k.a. 'Himmler's Bible') remain unknown to the general public.

    (Original german fragments below, if available.)

    1 From website, source and date unknown:
    "Who observes and understands the process of selection in nature, is at the core a believer (in a higher power). He is a believer, because he knows there is an endlessly wise sovereignty above us. The ancient Germans had a beautiful expression for that: Waralda; the most ancient."

    2 From website, source and date unknown:
    "Atheism is the only world, or religious view that is not tolerated within the SS [...] I have not tolerated an atheist in the ranks of the SS. Every member has a deep faith in God, in what my ancestors called in their language Waralda, the ancient one, the one who is mightier than we are."

    3 In speech at funeral of Heydrich (9 june 1942):
    "Today at Heydrich's funeral I intentionally expressed in my oration from my deepest conviction a belief in God, a belief in fate, in the ancient one as I called him - that is the old Germanic word: Wralda."
    Longer fragment here

    4 In speech to senior naval officers (1943):
    "... above us is an infinite wisdom. The Teutons had a beautiful expression for it: Waralda, the ancient. We may dispute how it can be revered and how in earthly terms it can be broken down into cults and varieties."
    Source: "Heinrich Himmler: A Life" by Peter Longerich, page 266

    5 In last letter to his family (17 april 1945):
    "The Most-Ancient ('Uralte'; overold-one) will protect us and particularly the brave/good German people, and not let us perish."
    Comment on german website "Focus.de":
    "With <Uralte> obviously <Waralda> was ment. Apparently that was how followers of the pseudoreligious <black order> of the SS referred to God - allegedly, germanic ancestors had also worshiped the divine power as <Waralda>."




    - - - Original german fragments

    1 "Derjeneige, der den Ausleseprozeß in der Natur beobachte und versteht, ist im tiefsten Grunde gläubig. Er ist gläubig, weil er eine unendlich weise Hoheit über uns weiß. Die Germanen hatten einen sehr schönen Ausdruck dafür: Waralda, das ist das Uralte."

    3 "Ich habe heute an dem Begräbnistag von Heydrich in meiner Rede mit voller Absicht meine tiefste innere Überzeugung eines Glaubens an Gott, eines Glaubens an das Schicksal, an den Uralten, wie ich ihn nannte – das ist das alte germanische Wort: Wralda – ausgesprochen."

    5 "Der Uralte wird uns und besonders das brave deutsche Volk behüten und uns nicht untergehen lassen."
    Comment focus.de:
    "Mit dem <Uralten> ist offenbar <Waralda> gemeint. So bezeichneten den Angaben zufolge Anhänger des pseudoreligiösen <schwarzen Ordens> der SS Gott – angeblich hätten germanische Vorfahren die göttliche Kraft ebenfalls als <Waralda> verehrt."






    "Uralte" in Himmler's handwriting;

    fragment from his last known letter dated April 17, 1945.



    F R Y A ~ S K É D N I S E: Himmler referring to Wralda




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    I've read 8 of David Irving's books and I think this is sufficient to get a reliable picture of where he's coming from.

    As far as I'm concerned they are all objective works and Hitler is in no way glorified in any of them. He just isn't as vilified as (((some))) would like and Irving's criticism of Churchill, for example, is far harsher.

    His unrefuted claim that Hitler knew nothing about the Holocaust© is a neutral statement, despite all of the hysteria it has unleashed over the years. He should probably increase his 1982 offer of $1000 reward for anyone finding a Holocaust© document though, if only to allow for inflation

    I intend to get his book on Himmler at some point in the future. If it's half as good as the Goering one it will be well worth the read!

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    Ok I'm listening to this David Irving talk and it's clear that he does (at least by the date that talk was given) think that Himmler was purposefully killing masses of people (and not just partisan combatants which was technically 'allowable' by general rules of warfare). Furthermore he holds the position that Himmler kept his doings secret from Hitler.

    I have read a little about this (ie "Holocaust Lite" from places like CODOH) but I'd need to look into it further.

    I think it's only fair to question whether David Irving was threatened while in Prison in Austria in ways we can't imagine that could make him alter direction. He's one of the best known historians who has been charged with "Holocaust denial" so it seems naive to assume he was just allowed to spend his jail term without any involvement from the upkeepers of the official story.

    There has been endless BS written about the National Socialists and what happened in World War II (and endless things covered up and never mentioned about the allies). I'd have to see convincing evidence about any claims now and because there have been so many fabrications and lies, I no longer believe anything outright from an alleged expert (especially someone who is well known and has been in prison for "thought crime").

    It's like the part at around 1:03:42 ... listing figures on a partial telegram but then he says "what it doesn't say is what he's talking about ... could be Jews, could be shoes" ... but before saying these numbers he had said "very ugly figures indeed"! So to me this doesn't really mean anything but by saying "very ugly numbers indeed" he's putting an interpretation on them even though he says it doesn't say what these numbers are about.

    He then goes into pointing out the known (well, known to anyone who looked into it) discrepancies at Auschwitz that makes the gas chamber stories there illogical but sticks to the story of "the real" holocaust happening in the Reinhard camps.

    It seems some of the former questioners of the pushed narrative for decades have moved the goal posts east so to speak. Now will 'Operation Reinhard' will be pushed as the official story in the future? I guess they'll have to construct death camp tourist attraction at those locations.


    They keep moving the goal posts and I wonder if David Irving has been compromised by threats (threats we probably can't even imagine). We have to realize that these ideas were presented in dozens of newspaper articles going back decades before WWII .... 6million Jews threatened, 6 million Jews in danger, 6 million Jews in dire situation - send money to help (LOL)! All these little newspaper clippings are there. This alone brings all of this into suspicion.


    Since the status quo has fabricated endless BS, lies, misinformation, covered up and threatened or killed those who question their stories about World War II, my stance is not to believe a word unless I can see it with my own thinking after research.


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    While just searching for Himmler , I found this classic nonsense


    http://www.whitedragon.org.uk/articles/himmler.htm


    Martin Bormann's fourteen-year-old son was a passionate young Nazi going into that day in 1944. He was staying up at the Nazi leaders' compound on Obersalzberg, whilst on holiday from his boarding school in Bavaria, when he saw something that brought the horrors of the National Socialist regime shockingly home to him. He, with his mother and younger sister, were invited by Himmler's mistress, Hedwig Potthast, to see the Reichsführer's special collection in the attic of his new house there. Martin Bormann Jr told this horrific story to a therapy group of the children of former high-ranking Nazis in 1990:"When she opened the door and we flocked in, we didn't understand what the objects in the room were - until she explained ... It was tables and chairs made out of parts of human bodies. There was a chair ... the seat was a human pelvis, the legs human legs - on human feet. Then she picked up a copy of Mein Kampf ... she showed us the cover - made of human skin, she said - and explained that the Dachau prisoners who made it used the ... skin of the back to make it." [Sereny]
    This, then, was the Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmler's collection of mementoes from the concentration camps and extermination centres that killed and tortured millions of innocent people - crimes for which he was directly responsible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenrune View Post
    Furthermore he holds the position that Himmler kept his doings secret from Hitler.
    Pertaining to his purported dealings with Jews, possibly. Pertaining to whatever went on in those concentration camps, that is unlikely. Hitler kept tabs on high profile inmates, such as Elser.

    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonPagan View Post
    His unrefuted claim that Hitler knew nothing about the Holocaust© is a neutral statement, despite all of the hysteria it has unleashed over the years.
    How is that neutral? It aids the revisionist effort and has deeply serious implications. In his memoirs, Otto Wagener attempted to pin the blame for Hitler's alleged crimes on Goebbels, Goering, and Himmler (on page 180). It's a risky argument which brushes aside Hitler's philosophy.

    Hitler was consistent with his philosophy of maintaining the balance between criminals and idealists, as even Irving noted (he refers to a scale-pan argument in his sources). Do recall that in Mein Kampf Hitler did call for the theoretical liquidations of Marxist leaders in the place of German soldiers.

    Hitler's purported dealings with Hungarian Jews as mentioned in Horthy's memoirs and the Nuremberg transcripts (although I reserve skepticism towards these documents) are interesting to read up on.

    While he was undoubtedly an artistic type and had a horror of cruelty, that didn't prevent him from being ruthless and icy. His detachment from the world through his intense sufferings can be seen in his statements on how sometimes he felt as if he belonged to another species (context: destruction of St. Petersburg. As for the destruction of Paris, are Choltitz's claims reported by other NS personnel?). Hitler bowed before a higher type of deity: Necessity. Was he capable of committing an injustice to preserve the balance? I think it's safe to say, yes.

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    How is that neutral? It aids the revisionist effort and has deeply serious implications
    Because it neither praises nor condemns Hitler. It just states that he was unaware of something.

    How politically-motivated groups choose to interpret this is another matter.

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