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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    We are starting to veer off topic, but I think it's still relevant. I have to answer this in two parts as it is a two part question.
    No problem.

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    The first part about citizens with small arms vs the military/police/government. If you look at history over 60 years every time the US military has been engaged in conflict it is individuals with small arms that bogged down the US military machine, particularly in Vietnam and Afghanistan. Never underestimate what one man can do with a loaded rifle, besides there are hundreds of thousands if not millions armed and trained combat veterans like me willing to train others. As a Soldier/Guerrilla fighter the number one rule to remember is your enemy always provides you with everything needed to defeat them.
    Now remember ... I come from Finland. Especially eastern part of the country is mainly deep forest, lakes, swamps, rivers ... which ''destroyed'' Stalin's massive army. Afghanistan or Vietnam? Those suits even better to local guerrilla fighters. But do you think the major part of USA could also? You have wide good roads etc.

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    The second part about US soldiers and police defecting and joining sides with armed revolt I think it depends on who is revolting. If it is people wanting to restore our rules of law and order then I think many would defect, especially police and frontline combat troops. If it is the leftist trying to disrupt our laws and force their views on us, then no the police and military would not defect.
    Ok, thanks. Based on TV (news, tv-series, films) ... looks like that all races are represented in those forces nowadays, so opinions could also variate ... case by case ... and person by person?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    No problem.


    Now remember ... I come from Finland. Especially eastern part of the country is mainly deep forest, lakes, swamps, rivers ... which ''destroyed'' Stalin's massive army. Afghanistan or Vietnam? Those suits even better to local guerrilla fighters. But do you think the major part of USA could also? You have wide good roads etc.


    Ok, thanks. Based on TV (news, tv-series, films) ... looks like that all races are represented in those forces nowadays, so opinions could also variate ... case by case ... and person by person?
    Lets put it this way the USA has 60 million deer hunters all used to shooting at man sized targets from ambush with scoped rifles.
    Ask any army how much it likes the idea of taking on an army of 60 million snipers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    Now remember ... I come from Finland. Especially eastern part of the country is mainly deep forest, lakes, swamps, rivers ... which ''destroyed'' Stalin's massive army. Afghanistan or Vietnam? Those suits even better to local guerrilla fighters. But do you think the major part of USA could also? You have wide good roads etc.
    The vast majority of the US is very rural with huge tracks of forest, mountains, swamps, deserts and mixed wooded farming areas. Even so, urban warfare is a very scary concept to the US military.


    Ok, thanks. Based on TV (news, tv-series, films) ... looks like that all races are represented in those forces nowadays, so opinions could also variate ... case by case ... and person by person?
    Front line combat troops are primarily White rural kids.
    Life is like a fire hydrant- sometimes you help people put out their fires, but most of the time you just get peed on by every dog in the neighborhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astragoth View Post
    Lets put it this way the USA has 60 million deer hunters all used to shooting at man sized targets from ambush with scoped rifles.
    Ask any army how much it likes the idea of taking on an army of 60 million snipers.
    Simo Häyhä (if you know him) was actually simple farm boy without much of military training. But he had been a hunter since teenager ... he was learned to shoot and moved in the forest (all seasons) by his dad.

    As I was in Eastern Finland ... 2 years ago ... I visited in Häyhä museum. He was 2. youngest child of 6 children! There are no families like that kind in Finland anymore. Except among of immigrants.

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    Just another shooting........... 9 killed in Ohio in second mass shooting within 24 hours

    https://www.aol.com/article/news/201...ours/23786789/
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/965060...ass-shootings/

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    Just another shooting........... 9 killed in Ohio in second mass shooting within 24 hours

    https://www.aol.com/article/news/201...ours/23786789/
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/965060...ass-shootings/
    Mark my words... This is all being deliberately orchestrated by Cultural Marxists who have infiltrated positions of power to create what they consider to be a "common sense" excuse to repeal the Second Amendment in a subversive effort to remove this obstacle so they can fulfill their despicable and totally immoral agenda to eventually transform our nation into a communist police state.

    All it takes to create one of these crazy "active shooters", as the MSM loves to dramatically refer to them as, is for a Cultural Marxist psychiatrist, for example, to provide clinical (supposedly private) information about one of their warped patients to those who require an 'operator' to carry out their dirty deeds.

    If anyone can prove me wrong without insulting my intelligence by insinuating I'm a "conspiracy nut", then please feel free to do so.
    Aside from an ever increasing number of mortals who have willfully chosen to worship Satan and his minions, our battle has always been against the powers and principalities operating surreptitiously throughout this twisted world.

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    There is no doubt in my mind that there are "powers" behind these shootings.
    What needs to be done is to go after these powers and expose them.........

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    Its kind of obvious when the manifesto is on a brand new twitter account, hits all the right narratives, the shooter is a white guy
    right out of central casting with an assault rifle. (((The media))) immediately starts shrieking about "nazis" on cue.
    The real issue is how many real Americans a give a damn and actually secretly side with the shooter.

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    I am worried about the second amendment. Our founding fathers did not have the problems we face today. Amendment II is talking about a well regulated militia. Regulated by who? We know we have militias all over the place, most of them ready to defend our liberties and our Constitution. How about left wing Marxist militias? We know we have them too. We have sleeping cells no doubt in my mind. I would rather join a para military militia instead being armed to the teeth with advanced army weapons.
    Your thoughts?

    Here in the State of Oregon we had problems with the State Government and the militia was ready to act.
    Oregon Is a Glimpse of Our Very Dark Future

    People with guns have involved themselves in a legislative dispute while the officials of one political party cheer them on.
    https://www.esquire.com/news-politic...ators-militia/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gareth Lee Hunter View Post
    If anyone can prove me wrong without insulting my intelligence by insinuating I'm a "conspiracy nut", then please feel free to do so.
    There's a variety of clandestine operations of the western secret services that themselves commit domestic terrorism acts in order to push through this or that political goal or agenda.

    GladioB, Operation Gladio, some of the local names are given below from research done by Daniele Ganser and revelations from Italy in the 90s. And there are still more of these organisations and operations going on.


    Operating in all of NATO and even in some neutral countries such as Spain before its 1982 admission to NATO, Gladio was first coordinated by the Clandestine Committee of the Western Union (CCWU), founded in 1948. After the creation of NATO in 1949, the CCWU was integrated into the "Clandestine Planning Committee" (CPC), founded in 1951 and overseen by the SHAPE (Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe), transferred to Belgium after France's official withdrawal from the NATO military organization – but not from NATO – which was not followed by the dissolution of the French stay-behind paramilitary movements.[8]

    Historian Daniele Ganser claims[9] that:

    Next to the CPC, a second secret army command center, labeled Allied Clandestine Committee (ACC), was set up in 1957 on the orders of NATO's Supreme Allied Commander in Europe (SACEUR). This military structure provided for significant US leverage over the secret stay-behind networks in Western Europe as the SACEUR, throughout NATO's history, has traditionally been a US General who reports to the Pentagon in Washington and is based in NATO's Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE) in Mons, Belgium. The ACC's duties included elaborating on the directives of the network, developing its clandestine capability, and organizing bases in Britain and the United States. In wartime, it was to plan stay-behind operations in conjunction with SHAPE. According to former CIA director William Colby, it was 'a major program'.

    Coordinated by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), {the secret armies} were run by the European military secret services in close cooperation with the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the British foreign secret service Secret Intelligence Service (SIS, also MI6). Trained together with US Green Berets and British Special Air Service (SAS), these clandestine NATO soldiers, with access to underground arms caches, prepared to fight against a potential Soviet invasion and occupation of Western Europe, as well as the coming to power of communist parties. The clandestine international network covered the European NATO membership, including Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Luxemburg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, and Turkey, as well as the neutral European countries of Austria, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland.

    The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) responded to the series of accusations made by Ganser in his book regarding the CIA's involvement in Operation Gladio, by claiming that neither Ganser nor anyone else could have solid evidence supporting their accusations. At one point in his book Ganser talks about the CIA's covert action policies as being "terrorist in nature" and then accuses the CIA of using their "networks for political terrorism". The CIA responded by noting that Daniele Ganser's sourcing is "largely secondary" and that Ganser himself has complained about "not being able to find any official sources to support his charges of the CIA's or any Western European government's involvement with Gladio".[10]

    The existence of these clandestine NATO units remained a closely guarded secret throughout the Cold War until 1990, when the first branch of the international network was discovered in Italy. It was code-named Gladio, the Italian word for a short double-edged sword [gladius]. While the press said that the NATO stay-behind units were 'the best-kept, and most damaging, political-military secret since World War II', the Italian government, amidst sharp public criticism, promised to close down the secret army. Italy insisted identical clandestine units had also existed in all other countries of Western Europe. This allegation proved correct and subsequent research found that in Belgium, the secret NATO unit was code-named SDRA8, in Denmark Absalon, in Germany TD BDJ, in Greece LOK, in Luxemburg Stay-Behind, in the Netherlands I&O, in Norway ROC, in Portugal Aginter Press, in Spain Red Quantum, in Switzerland P26, in Turkey Özel Harp Dairesi, In Sweden AGAG (Aktions Gruppen Arla Gryning), in France 'Plan Bleu', and in Austria OWSGV; however, the code name of the stay-behind unit in Finland remains unknown.[9]

    Upon learning of the discovery, the parliament of the European Union (EU) drafted a resolution sharply criticizing the fact.[clarification needed] Yet only Italy, Belgium and Switzerland carried out parliamentary investigations, while the administration of President George H. W. Bush refused to comment.[11]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
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