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    Russian Co-Option & Subversion of Pro-White Movements

    Russian Subversion & Co-option of Western Nationalist Organizations


    It is becoming impossible to deny Russia's infiltration - and subversion - of pro-White movements. This thread will detail and dissect this tactic. Firstly, the full Mueller Report can be read here:


    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-document.html


    The report cites evidence that Russia's GRU (their main military intelligence division) and a Russian government proxy company called the 'Internet Research Agency' used a few hundred operatives to sow discord among Westerners. One way in which they have done this is by attempting to coopt nationalist movements inside Western Europe & the Anglosphere. Here is a brief summary:



    “Defendants, posing as U.S. persons and creating false U.S. personas, operated social media pages and groups designed to attract U.S. audiences. These groups and pages, which addressed divisive U.S. political and social issues, falsely claimed to be controlled by U.S. activists when, in fact, they were controlled by Defendants. Defendants also used the stolen identities of real U.S. persons to post on ORGANIZATION-controlled social media accounts. Over time, these social media accounts became Defendants’ means to reach significant numbers of Americans for purposes of interfering with the U.S. political system, including the presidential election of 2016.”



    >https://intelligence.house.gov/social-media-content
    They are obviously following the plan crafted by the Eurasianist wing of Russia's foreign policy elites (Aleksandr Dugin is the primary intellectual involved). Dugin, being kind of autistic, wrote a book called Foundations of Geopolitics in which he outlined his master plan. The wiki of the book is here. A map showing the expanded Russian state & alliance system promoted by Dugin's book can be seen here:



    Dugin's strategy advocates creating weak 'nationalist' movements inside Western Europe in order to weaken the West to the point at which Russia can conquer Finland, Ukraine, and the Balkan Peninsula. Australia & New Zealand are dominated by China in this scenario. It is an inherently anti-Anglo-Saxon worldview that advocates doing as much damage as possible to my people.


    Another example of this tactic can be seen from hacked emails written by Vladislav Surkov (Putin's right hand man & #1 propaganda guy). His emails showed a desire to manipulate & coopt the efforts of Ukraine's nationalists in order to promote Russians own geopolitical desires.




    Surkov is known for his trustworthy face...

    Another example is Russia coopting biker groups & infiltrating National Socialist groups in central Europe.


    So what I'm getting at is that it's not just fat Jewish dudes from New York out there creating fake accounts and role playing as Nazis. There is a highly intelligent, highly organized, highly motivated foreign intelligence agency attempting to coopt Western pro-White movements and turn them into fawning pro-Russian movements. This is the reason why you can go on a site like the Daily Stormer and see grown men saying things like 'if the White race survives it will be in Russia' (which is ridiculous considering Russia's rapidly growing Asian population).

    In fact, the Russian military is led by a nonwhite man.




    Sergei Shoigu, Russia's Minister of Defense.

    It's a wonderful tactic but at the end of the day we're smarter than them and we've figured it out. I'm just sharing this so as to help start the discussion and encourage others to critique the Russians for their trolling & cyber-subversion.

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    This post will be less organized that post #1 and will detail a few strange coincidences in the American pro-White movement:

    1. Richard Spencer's wife is an ethnic Russian named Nina who has translated Dugin's work into English and aggressively promotes Duginist worldview on her Twitter.




    It is probably no coincidence that Mr. Spencer has attacked genuine ethnic Nationalism and pro-Germanic ideas as 'divisive' and otherwise shilled for Russia.

    2. AltRight.Com's main editor, Vincent Law, was an ethnic Russian who claimed to have lived in the West sometime in the past before returning to Russia. He promoted an 'Imperivm' stretching from Russia to the Atlantic and constantly attacked anyone who dared to criticize this idea.

    3. Lauren Southern (not her real name) and her friend have both posed in Russian clothes while wearing Communist insignia:

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    I know that some men (not necessarily anyone here) are not going to think much deeper than 'they're hot and say some things I like so it's not that bad' but this is a very telling bit of behavior on their part. Either they A) Are completely clueless, or B) They do not care about pro-White politics.

    4. Weev (the Daily Stormer's main tech guy) lives in Moldova. Weev said it somewhere on the Daily Stormer a few months back. I wish I had a screenshot but I don't. Anyways, the reason why this matters is that Moldova is allied with Russia. Anglin supposedly lives near a Russian party location in Cambodia.

    Does anyone really think all of this is just a coincidence?

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    And now we look at the other side of the coin, shall we?

    The other half of the "pro-white" movements are subverted and co-opted by America and partly financed by the Middle East Forum, an American based, pro-Israel organisation that also finances "alternative media sites" like journalistenwatch (German) / jouwatch and others plus an army of twitter trolls to promote a pro-Israel point of view.

    The Americans want "national/ist" movements supporting the One-World Order run by USA/Israel, Putin wants a multi-polar world with equal-footed "spheres of influence" (which line in more or less with actual cultural and ethnic spheres, so actually exactly what every ethno-nationalist wants), and Dugin takes that to an extreme and wants the Russian Empire back. TBQH, I chose Putin's version, if we dont get anything done on and by ourselves without letting our movements be subverted and co-opted by other interests.

    It's btw "funny" how America wails and whines about the alleged misconduct of Russia in Ukraine, when it was the USA that financed the revolution (read: regime change) with 5bio Dollars and Joe Biden's son grabbed some big industry when the fires were still smouldering. Unanswered question to this day: who hired the snipers that indiscriminately fired into all sides of the demonstrating crowds and the police to escalate the situation? And re Ukraine, there are a whole lot more unanswered questions.

    Then there's a USA that is more than willing to do Israel's and the Saudi's bid for their (not America's) power gains, while at the same time going after white nationalists in their own country for "islamophobia" and other such bullocks. Everyone with an #IstandwithIsrael in their twitter is paid and co-opted or successfully subverted by that propaganda machine. And then all those fine organisations like SPLC and the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (ADL) who promote anti-white propaganda on a massive scale, not least through their mouthpieces of the alphabet-salad news channels which shape American politics much more than any tiny "Russian based" troll fabric could ever hope to achieve.

    Interestingly, China also supports European (ethno-)nationalist views and finances dissident news sites (Epoch Times f.e.).

    And from the unimportant, German perspective I'd like to add that Putin loves Germany, he wants Germany to continue to exist AS Germany, not some US vassal state or third world shit hole. He called the bolshevik revolution treason to mother Russia, he knows and understands what Solchenitsyn tried to tell the world. He's fighting an uphill battle to counter the communist, US-Israel One-World Order, he tries to break the Dollar monopoly on trade (terrorism through sanctions) with the BRIC system, his calm-minded action to prevent Sevastopol falling to the dirty hands of the US (which was a last building block for an all-out war on Syria and Iran*), Russia and China also objected - the only countries - against the UN resolution to regime change Libya, now an open door for ferry service trafficking of millions of niggers into Europe, and preventing Syria (for the time being at least) from falling prey to the Yinon Plan for Greater Israel. And now they're on to the next war against Iran, and when Iran falls on behalf of Israel, Europe will be overrun by hundreds of millions of Moslems bombed out of their homelands (Iran, Iraq again, Caucasus regions... and under the radar of this war Saudi Arabia will go to sack Bahrain, Yemen and other gulf states). With Killary this had all started in 2016 if she had won the presidency, but Trump makes a show of it, just some years later.

    *memo from the Pentagon
    “We’re Going to Take out 7 Countries in 5 Years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran..”
    General Wesley Clarke travels the US to tell the people about this plot since 2007, but no one fucking listens!

    Fun fact: all of these countries, until the day they were regime-changed, had a real national bank not owned by Rothschild.
    Left to go 12 years later, Syria and Iran.
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    Velvet, you're post basically says the equivalent of 'but the USA is worse' and then makes several claims that are not supported by Putin's actions & words.

    so actually exactly what every ethno-nationalist wants
    No, that isn't true at all. Putin has (repetitively) verbally attacked actual ethnic Nationalists in the tiny Baltic countries and implied they are a threat:

    "Today," Putin said, "we see how a number of countries are deliberately distorting war events, and how those who, forgetting honor and human dignity, served the Nazis, are now being glorified, and how shamelessly they lie to their children and betray their ancestors."


    Here Putin is referring to the recent electoral success of the far-right National Conservative Party in Estonia (some of whose members have links to neo-Nazis), and Lithuania's continuing celebration of an anti-Soviet resistance fighter and possible Nazi collaborator, Adolfas Ramanauskas-Vanagas.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/putin-portrays-his-expansionist-vision-as-the-counterweight-to-neo-nazism
    He has also invited Benjamin Netanyahu (PM of Israel) to Russia's Victory Day Parade:



    And his foreign ministry even threatened the Poles with sanctions when they tried to take down Communist monuments left by the Soviet Union.

    These are not the actions of an anti-Zionist ethno-nationalist.

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    This is unfortunately true, but the "fight against Nazis" is the beloved pet story of both sides (who were allied until after the war, a little detail commonly and officially ignored, also from both sides), and both sides think they have been liberators for anyone when in fact they were not. If this myth however falls, all their war crimes would be dragged into the light, not going to happen anytime soon.

    Imho, the Poland thing has much more to do with NATO, same for the other Baltic states, who are taking the bashing for Poland's drive to expand NATO to the Russian border. Despite the guarantee given in the 2+4 treaties btw. Poland was also the main driver behind the massive war-game inscenated at the Russian border a while ago, coming with 30k+ NATO soldiers, war ships, planes and massive amount of weapons, which was a massive provocation. It's btw quite funny that Poland suffers most from the sanctions imposed by the US against trade with Russia, and then western MSM whines about a "threat" of countersanctions with the few means Russia has left, ie the story invented about WWII and the monuments.

    A state's parade, everday business of politicians, vs the US entourage in Israel on the eve of a mythical fairy tale

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made the following remarks this evening at the joint statements with US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, following US President Donald Trump's declaration of recognizing the Golan Heights.

    "Secretary Pompeo, Mike, Susan, Ambassador David Friedman, I’m so excited. We’re so excited, Sara and I, to have you here, but especially on this evening. This is the eve of Purim, and we have a miracle of Purim; we call it nes Purim.

    President Trump has just made history. I called him. I thanked him on behalf of the people of Israel. He did it again. First, he recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and moved the US embassy here. Then, he pulled out of the disastrous Iran treaty and re-imposed sanctions. But now he did something of equal historic importance – he recognized Israel’s sovereignty over the Golan Heights, and he did so at a time when Iran is trying to use Syria as a platform to attack and destroy Israel. And the message that President Trump has given the world is that America stands by Israel.

    We’re celebrating Purim, when 2,500 years ago, other Persians, led by Haman, tried to destroy the Jewish people. They failed then; and today, 2,500 years later, again Persians led by Khamenei, are trying to destroy the Jewish people and the Jewish state. They’re going to fail again.
    https://www.facebook.com/IsraelinUSA...5453976979462/

    The same kind of "holy war" Israel "fights" against Amalek, that is, Germany. What is this prat even talking about? Persians? Have been driven out of Iran in the islamic revolution in the 70s. Khamenei? Is dead for some years now. The Golan Heights have been sacked in an illegal war that violates all international law, but because it's Israel, never mind. The very existence of Israel violates all international law, but it's Israel, they can do whatever they want and then cry anti-semitism when critisiced and the US "stands firm by their side" and dumps several billion Dollars a year for Israel's "defense" (read: illegal attacks on neighboring countries). And Russia's defense ministry called them out for that, something no western nation ever did.

    Russian defense minister blames Israel for downing military plane over Mediterranean
    https://tass.com/world/1022058

    Israel's levelling Palestinian homes undermines peace prospects — Russian Foreign Ministry
    https://tass.com/politics/1070058

    Russia revives allegations of Israeli culpability in downed plane in ...
    washington-post, inaccessible with add blocker

    In a blow to Israel, Russia says it will send Syria powerful antiaircraft missiles
    washington-post, inaccessible with add blocker

    Russia to give Syria S-300 air defense after accusations against Israel
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKCN1M40ZA

    Many more such things. Russia also called Turkey to restraint, when the West was ready to support a Turkish attack on Syrian and Iraq Kurdish territory, even though it's mainly the YPG that does the actual fighting against IS, while the US plays air force for IS, bombing Syrian soldiers. Not to start with the US role in creating IS in the first place.

    With Putin's view imho Europe (if we manage to break free from EU and the "West", that is) can work. With the US view and deeds, not so much. Do you think the US would let Germany off the hook? Would allow Germany to become a free, souvereign state once more? Take the soldiers and the weapons and everything and go?

    Fun fact: even that superevil soviet union granted the GDR more souvereignity than the US does with Germany to this day, already in the early 60s somewhen. Russia wrote off all claims over the former GDR territory again in the 2+4 treaties, the US and Britain did not. We got the Euro because otherwise we would have been denied reunification. You see, the problem is the US and the "West".

    And I am honestly sick of this constant war-mongering against Russia, because this war, which is not my war as a German, would be fought on my soil, because the US army is stationed here and NATO and everything. It would be my country that would be destroyed, the heart of Europe, and when the heart is being destroyed, all of Europe dies.

    And this global strategy game is not new. Listen to Mr Friedman (STRATFOR) from the Council of Global Affairs

    The policy of the US for over a hundred years is to prevent - by all means - a German-Russian relation

    1917: regime change in Russia with the financial and political support of New York Jews and the invention of the "alliance" (USA, France, Britain and the Commonwealth)
    1917/18: regime change in Germany (the communist installation failed partly, but not completely, Weimar until 1933)
    1945: regime change in Germany, again, "alliance" now with Soviet Union
    Cold War era: isolation of Russia from the international stage, hostilities reinforced by regular provocations (incl the notorious WIMEX war game which supposed to nuke(!) eastern Germany (see video, the death zone is still an option for the US); Kohl walks out and cancels the show)
    Breakdown 1990, west celebrates the laissez-faire capitalist locuses who swarm over Russia and pillage the country, hailing the process for "freedom" and all that blah.
    1990: regime change Europe. Installation of the EU.
    2000s: Putin, the Germany friend, is elected president the first time. West pumps out anti-Russian propaganda.
    EU and NATO deny Russia access to Europe, it's alleged "unity" project, NATO builds the defense shield, against Russia.

    Get the pattern?
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    @Velvet, it is not hard to see that you are downplaying Russia's behavior while dragging this discussion off topic with conspiracies.

    The evidence I posted shows that Russian intelligence services are attempting to subvert political movements inside my people's countries and this is damaging to us. The Russians are waging psychological warfare against the entire West, especially the Anglo-Saxon countries. I am trying to discuss this and you keep going off on tangents about Syria, Israel, conspiracy theories, etc.

    As for your other points:

    1. Regarding Syria & Israel, the Russians are merely playing both sides. That's the norm there.

    2. There is a reason why the Balts, Poles, Romanians, and Ukrainians all want Russia out of Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani View Post
    @Velvet, it is not hard to see that you are downplaying Russia's behavior while dragging this discussion off topic with conspiracies.
    Conspiracies? Like Stratfor, the show in Israel, actual actions vs blown-out-of-proportion nonsense?

    The evidence I posted shows that Russian intelligence services are attempting to subvert political movements inside my people's countries and this is damaging to us. The Russians are waging psychological warfare against the entire West, especially the Anglo-Saxon countries.
    Evidence? What evidence? The Mueller report? Give me a break.

    Of course Russia is subverting movements in the West, just like the US subverts movements in Russia, India (it's btw the "great" how western politicians/media now call Buddhists "religious extremists" because they're trying to get rid of the muslim extremists, which however are the pet love of the West), China, Ukraine, you name it. Everywhere. And also in Europe, and the US subversion with its Israel and Musel love is much more damaging. But okay, you want to ignore that and instead chime in on the song of the western establishment.

    The named individuals from your second post are not ethno-nationalist and are known to be shills (specially Spencer, and not for his "russophilia" but for much more severe failures), at least among those who have eyes and ears.

    In Britain, however, US-Israel shills like Tommy Robinson and Peter Sweden (both of them Israel-Firsters) go unharmed, Robinson managed to rally behind his Israel-love the entire "anti-muslim" sentiment present in the population and then trashed the movement, disheartening those who took part and stifling the momentum. Not after, of course, providing the govt with the time needed to destroy the BNP.

    The US shills in Germany have as their mantra "we are no racists" and regularly repeat the myth of "Jews being our best allies against muslims" (when in fact the jews think musels are their best allies to destroy the white race), are of course "anti-nazis" etc. These paid shills caused the first split of AfD (the split-off run by Lucke is an Atlantic Bridge promoter and now a 0.something fringe party) and managed to install the lesbian Goldman-Sachs lacky Alice Weidel as their new head, ever since the "folkish nationalist" elements within the party are in constant danger of being kicked out, while a "Jewish wing" within the party formed. The next split is in the making, which will mean a heavy blow against the real nationalist elements, and probably create a similar black hole of stifled momentum like when the EDL was trashed.

    Whatever. All I'm saying is that you better look out for the subversion of right-wing/nationalist movements through US/Western Israel-Firsters and pay attention to when you're being played by them and the powers-that-be. Namely, "respected" media like New York Times, Washington Post, BBC etc. They ALL are Israel-Firsters and anti-white racists.

    And last, fantasy/wishful thinking (Dugin) map vs reality of US/NATO encircling of Russia



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    Part 3: How To Spot a Troll

    1. They're Aggressive and Confrontational


    Okay, so now that I've shared evidence of troll operations in post #1 & odd coincidences in post #2, I'd like to discuss how these operations are conducted. Based off of my research, the first evidence of Russian trolling comes from 2003 and operations against Westerners appear to have increased around 2009. The following statement comes from 2013 (before Trump ever ran for office so no one can pull the 'it's all a Democrat conspiracy!' card):

    “they manage to make certain forums meaningless because people stop commenting on the articles when these trolls sit there and constantly create an aggressive, hostile atmosphere toward those whom they don’t like...

    ...and react to certain news with torrents of mud and abuse. This makes it meaningless for a reasonable person to comment on anything there.”
    2. They Weaponize Conspiracy Theories In Order To Create Confusion

    If the passive aggressive insults don't work, they switch to spreading wild rumors in an effort to make the audience so confused that genuine discussion becomes impossible (this also forces their opponent into responding to dozens of tangential arguments). Peter Pomerantsev, writing in 2015, described this tactic by saying:

    Russia's efforts are aimed at confusing the audience, rather than convincing it. "What Russians are trying to go for is kind of a reverse censorship,"

    ...

    They cannot censor the information space, but can "trash it with conspiracy theories and rumours", he argues.

    3. They Normally Pretend to Be Housewives, Blue Collar Workers, or Students

    The typical troll will create a plausible background story to explain why they spend so much time online and don't have to work. A 'housewife', 'retiree', or 'student' are perfect covers:


    Typical troll accounts, Moy Rayon noted, were operated by people posing as "housewives" and "disappointed US citizens".
    To avert suspicions, the fake users sandwich political remarks between neutral articles on travelling, cooking and pets.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31962644
    It is also common for trolls to claim to be night-shift workers (so as to explain why they spend all day online without breaks). In any case, they will make sure to post comments about their pets & personal lives. This makes their online personas feel real to readers.


    4. Their Posts Are Repetitive and Predictable (Same Keywords & Graphics)

    You can often spot them by the fact that they constantly post the same graphics, arguments, and keywords over and over again:



    Any blog post written by an agency employee, according to the leaked files, must contain "no fewer than 700 characters" during day shifts and "no fewer than 1,000 characters" on night shifts.


    Use of graphics and keywords in the post's body and headline is also mandatory.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31962644

    5. There Are Other Types of Russian Shills Out There

    The stereotypical Russian disinfo agent described above is not the only 'type.' More serious subversion occurs when an individual, often rather intelligent, joins a forum / blog created by someone else and slowly coopts it. He will typically claim to be a young-ish male in order to win respect. Then he will begin subtly pushing a narrative that is different from the original site's mission.


    6. They Will Co-opt Both Sides of A Debate

    Evidence recently emerged that Russian cyber agents argued both for and against vaccinations and 5G technology:

    The "sophisticated" bots shared opinions from both sides of the anti-vaxxer debate, which took the U.S. by storm and prompted tech companies to crack down on the spread of misinformation surrounding vaccinations.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anti-vax-movement-russian-trolls-fueled-anti-vaccination-debate-in-us-by-spreading-misinformation-twitter-study/
    The reasons why they do this are: 1) it makes it more difficult to spot their trolling, 2) allows them to engage in 'enemy face' propaganda (aka making a movement look stupid by claiming to be a member of that movement and then doing moronic things), 3) it creates a sense of frustration among people who want to engage in a calm & fair debate.


    Eliminating Russian Subversion

    The easiest way to eliminate this issue, or at least make it manageable, is to:

    1. Get off the internet and build real world movements.

    2. Discuss troll tactics and make sure everyone is aware of them.

    3. Create websites designed in such a way that trolling is not common (for example, ban obvious trolls).

    Side note: I want to thank JY for helping me to write this and for sharing info with me. This was definitely a team effort.

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    Countries which have lived under communism have displayed a tendency to eventually swing over to nationalism or a genuine socialism.

    The nationalist sects in the Cold War opted to side with the capitalistic US. Francis Parker Yockey was the only exception, and a very far-seeing one. As it turns out, the American export has been far more corrosive. The assimilationist policies of Abraham Lincoln has experienced a renewal through these sects.

    So I side with velvet on this matter, although I don't trust Russia's leadership. The fearmongering against Russia which the US has possibly inherited from Christian (reactionary?) European "prophets" is undesirable and may very well lead to it's fulfillment (Russian invasion of Europe). Germany and Russia were the final bastions against the Jewish community. United together, they are the only ones which can rival America. Russia's Bolshevisation was surely a mark of it's decline as a nation, but it's still an important asset for Germany's emancipation.

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