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    Usually heretics were considered heretics for a reason. The Cathars were the ones that practiced predatory lending as I recall.
    They had no objections to contraception, euthanasia or suicide. They also considered men and women and good and evil equals.
    Something the Bible contradicts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astragoth View Post
    Usually heretics were considered heretics for a reason. The Cathars were the ones that practiced predatory lending as I recall.
    They had no objections to contraception, euthanasia or suicide. They also considered men and women and good and evil equals.
    Something the Bible contradicts.
    The Church considered the Cathars to be 'heretics' but it really doesn't work because in order to be a heretic one has to be a member of the Church first and then rebel against its teachings. The Cathars never were a part of the Church, nor did they regard it as in any way legitimate. The 'heretic' accusation was used by the Church in pretty much the same way we use the label 'terrorist': anyone we don't like or want out of the way.

    As for monetary practices, I don't recall reading of that but it's certainly not impossible they made money off of lending. The Templars did it, and got VERY rich in doing so, so why not others?

    You're correct about contraception, euthanasia, and suicide. Some used 'other methods' (ie anal sex, oral sex, etc) to avoid childbirth, and of course during the trials by the Inquisition the charge of sodomy was laid on many Cathars. (Interestingly enough, though, if the person thus charged were married he and his wife were forced to have 'normal'- vaginal- sex in front of the interrogators to 'prove' their innocence. I hope there was some similar option for single men and women to 'prove their innocence'- otherwise they were likely SOL). Euthanasia was sometimes used to speed one along in one's death- at their request, never just on a whim- and suicide via the Endura (a self-imposed hunger strike, refusing all food and water) was considered an honorable end to one's life, particularly if one had taken the vows as a Perfect.

    In Cathar thinking, our bodies were no more than 'meat sacks' for the spirits that inhabited us. Thus, men and women were indeed regarded as equals (since spirits are thought to be genderless). Physical attraction and sex was seen as just part of the 'human experience' and as all were equal there was essentially no religious stigma on opposite- or same-sex relations. There were undoubtedly cultural concerns, but as far as the faith was concerned 'good sex is where you find it'. Yet another weapon for the Inquisition to use, sadly.

    And, regarding good and evil, the Cathars were essentially Dualists in their view that both Good and Evil (represented by God and Satan) exist and are in constant struggle. Some, though, took the Mitigated Dualist point of view (that Good is always stronger than Evil, although Evil would 'win' sometimes).

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