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    Rule of Law means, somewhat simplified, that the state follows its own laws. It also implies some predictability since we can reasonably anticipate how a certain action will be judged. That is one reason why retroactive legislation is frowned upon. Nulla poena sine lege.

    I would argue that on the whole it is a good principle, conforming to Maat, Dharma or whatever we chose to call it.

    One of the ways in which royal authority was built in the middle ages was through legislation and royal courts. It lifted cases out of the manorial courts and placed them in an arena in which the commoner could expect some justice. The main political alliances in historical Europe were between the king and the commoners against the nobility. It also gave the kingdom a common law.

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    Liberalism marks the decline of a nation, in a biological sense. Western civilization's time is clearly up and we'll need another Plato to salvage what remains of it's culture (namely architecture and music).

    Putin's appeal to conservatives is opportunistic at best (believe me, I would like nothing more than to see a proper reconciliation between Germany/Russia, the only obstacle to American interests).

    I may not be Christian, but I know of at least one German who has kept track of the Christian "prophecies" pertaining to Russia/the East and it's frequency is alarming. I would add that it's predominantly Catholic as opposed to Protestant, last I checked. They all warn the West not to trust Russia, long before the Cold War even began. Of course, I'm highly skeptical that Russia would risk invading Europe, which is in any case undesirable since so many people have "seen" it coming. The opposite of the majority's expectations should come to pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyte View Post
    Rule of Law means, somewhat simplified, that the state follows its own laws. It also implies some predictability since we can reasonably anticipate how a certain action will be judged.
    Yeah, but that era is long gone when law equaled the common expectations of justice both in the sphere of commoners and kings alike.

    Democracy installed "law-makers" (they are even called that, openly) to make law (remake, change, invent new laws like hate speech, rights of migrants...), which then the "state" can claim to follow. In democracy, the "rule of law" is really just a scam. Latest with the EU "democracy" (with an unelected Commission that orders the fake parliament to wink through laws and treaties which they arent even allowed to read before) this should be glaringly obvious, plus that most European countries have included "UN legislation" into their constitution, so whatever the UN legislates, becomes automatically national law. So who's law is it that governs? It's no longer our laws, the laws that once grew from common culture, values, virtues and a shared view on things. The belief in the "rule of law" is a relict from the era when kings ruled, who were of the people, of that shared cultural framework.

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    It's worth pointing out that the European city with the largest Muslim population is Moscow, so this is pretty ironic. Putin's not exactly conservative or anti-immigration.

    I did enjoy reading this news, though. He is preferable to the big boys of the West in many ways, but he's still very Zionist unfortunately.

    Russia needs to drive out the Christian plague and return to its ancient customs, same with the rest of Eastern Europe where a lot of these traditions actually continued in abundance until they were brutally oppressed by the Soviets, and many died out when they wiped out the Kulaks and herded the peasants into the factories and collectivised farms.

    Putin an go on about left-wing tyranny in western Europe but you'll never hear him admit any of the atrocities carried out by the Soviets.

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