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    Quote Originally Posted by Astragoth View Post


    Life on easy mode. Pretty much sums it up. Destroys the country then blames the younger generations for the giant pile of
    manure they left.
    Still don't get it, I'm not baby boomer. You are so stuck on your idea that someone else is to blame that you are refusing to see logic.

    Yet watching and listening to the video still sinks home the point that MGTOWs are whiney little manchildren that insist on blaming everybody but themselves. It also very much proves my point about MGTOWs trying to justify themselves, if they really did not care or where going their own way they would not make videos or post trying to justify their actions.
    Life is like a fire hydrant- sometimes you help people put out their fires, but most of the time you just get peed on by every dog in the neighborhood.

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    You are a very angry man that solves absolutely nothing.
    Deep hate of anything always promotes negative consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    You are a very angry man that solves absolutely nothing.
    Deep hate of anything always promotes negative consequences.
    I think I've done pretty good job at dispelling MGTOWs.
    Life is like a fire hydrant- sometimes you help people put out their fires, but most of the time you just get peed on by every dog in the neighborhood.

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    Meister I am completely with you on the point of protecting your financial interests. Nothing is more important than that. Men need to be more selfish and I mean a good kind of selfish. Look out for #1-YOU!

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    SpearBrave those MGTOW's you speak of are not really men who go their own way. They are phonies and imposters who give MGTOW a bad name. BTW I am not a card-carrying member of MGTOW. I am simply in favor of men being able to choose for themselves what they want out of life with no interference from anyone else man or woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saxonbrit View Post
    Meister I am completely with you on the point of protecting your financial interests. Nothing is more important than that. Men need to be more selfish and I mean a good kind of selfish. Look out for #1-YOU!
    Thanks, I keep prodding at SpearBrave because I am wondering if he has a point to make. He is intimidated by the idea of men who refuse to go along with society's idea that men are disposable. I guess when you live your whole life trying to be an Alpha male when men come along who don't care about status it can be scary.

    Like the saying goes, "a dangerous man is a man who wants nothing". I find that when I flick through the newspapers/see the news on TV that it has little if any impact on me anymore. I am not part of the society that he so badly wants me to suffer for. And I am happier for it too.

    He also still hasn't explained any of his insults. For example what is so grown up about sticking your neck out even though you know the game is rigged and you will get defeated? How is that grown up? Many, many men have died or been maimed this way in wars that were of no benefit to their nations, people, families or themselves. Many men have been destroyed by divorce, screwed over by family courts. Fair enough if they get screwed over once (back then) but now it is well known and yet you have men who get knocked to the floor and yet keep getting back up only to be knocked down again in another marriage and divorce.

    For what purpose? That is not maturity, that is not bravery.

    That is stupidity, plain and simple.
    I grew up on a belief of honour, courage and the old world values. The world isn't about that anymore, preferring to die a slow death of fast food and cheap thrills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saxonbrit View Post
    SpearBrave those MGTOW's you speak of are not really men who go their own way. They are phonies and imposters who give MGTOW a bad name. BTW I am not a card-carrying member of MGTOW. I am simply in favor of men being able to choose for themselves what they want out of life with no interference from anyone else man or woman.
    I personally have met more than a few "card-carrying" members of the MGTOW movement if you can call it that. The MGTOW movement is more than just men going their own way or protecting their financial assets. It's laying a blame for their own failures, they constantly complain about women in the general sense, they don't like to own up to responsibility in the work place, most of their failures are attributed to their lack of planning and work ethics(slackers). Once you are around these guys for any period of time you realize why they have had such troubles in the first place. I stated before if a guy wants to be single and not have family I'm fine with that, it's when they start creating videos, blogs, post and in some cases graffiti to promote their cause or justify their actions is where things get weird and creepy. It's like with homosexuals or religious freaks, nobody really cares what they do until they constantly throw it in your face, then they get backlash from people and they cry the victim.
    Life is like a fire hydrant- sometimes you help people put out their fires, but most of the time you just get peed on by every dog in the neighborhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    Thanks, I keep prodding at SpearBrave because I am wondering if he has a point to make. He is intimidated by the idea of men who refuse to go along with society's idea that men are disposable. I guess when you live your whole life trying to be an Alpha male when men come along who don't care about status it can be scary.

    Like the saying goes, "a dangerous man is a man who wants nothing". I find that when I flick through the newspapers/see the news on TV that it has little if any impact on me anymore. I am not part of the society that he so badly wants me to suffer for. And I am happier for it too.

    He also still hasn't explained any of his insults. For example what is so grown up about sticking your neck out even though you know the game is rigged and you will get defeated? How is that grown up? Many, many men have died or been maimed this way in wars that were of no benefit to their nations, people, families or themselves. Many men have been destroyed by divorce, screwed over by family courts. Fair enough if they get screwed over once (back then) but now it is well known and yet you have men who get knocked to the floor and yet keep getting back up only to be knocked down again in another marriage and divorce.

    For what purpose? That is not maturity, that is not bravery.

    That is stupidity, plain and simple.
    Trust me it's not scary, I just think it's cowardice and do we need cowards or men not willing to risk anything? The reason a man who wants nothing is dangerous is because you never know when he will cut and run, he thinks only of himself, that truly is a dangerous person when it comes to defending folk and any sort of Preservationist movement.

    What you describe above is the very definition of a coward, someone being so selfish that he will not risk anything for his people. I guess these guys find some sort of safety in not risking anything and not gaining anything, no fight has ever been won by not risking anything, in fact I don't think anything has ever been gained by not risking anything or sticking your neck out. This is why I despise these cowardly MGTOWs, they are the very essence as to why we are declining.
    Coward-a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.
    Cowardice-lack of courage to face danger, difficulty, opposition, pain, etc.
    Life is like a fire hydrant- sometimes you help people put out their fires, but most of the time you just get peed on by every dog in the neighborhood.

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    The insults, the shaming language, the outrage on behalf of others (in this case women), the attempt to disrupt and shut down debate or the steering the debate towards interpersonal drama rather than arguing against or in favor of the matter at hand - all those behaviours come from people who know nothing about the issue at all and in fact admit to not knowing about it. The mainstream media are nonetheless talking about these topics, they're by no means obscure. A normal person would then either try to read up on them or not bother with it at all. But to become the top poster in a thread you know nothing about instead makes you look like an ass - and of course as the debate proceeds you have to start insulting people, it's logical, that's what happens when you're painted into a corner and don't back down on a subject you know nothing of!

    Let this be a life lesson to us all: if you know jack shit about something and don't make the least effort to learn about it either, don't make the grandest and the most statements of everyone around you about said subject. No need to repeat the same message a dozen times in every manosphere thread. And that's not a suggestion - if I see this happen again, you will be thread banned at the very least. These threads could be very informative instead, they're certainly popular.

    Back to the topic: to those who hide their fear and ignorance behind insults, I say this; There are so many factors to consider why men not bother with relationships anymore (MGTOW) - or why they do but nonetheless can't find a partner (incels) - if you want to have a serious debate, you gotta transcend the idea that men who are single are somehow losers (the macho idiot mindset) and address these issues, something the male feminists here and the men who date feminists never do because they can't or their emotions cloud their judgement.

    And for God's sake, stop with the idiocy of letting your value as a man and other men's personal value depend on whether you or they are in a relationship or not - that is exactly the incel mindset and not very mature. The guys who still date today are more often than not not any different from incels, they're just incels who happen to have found girlfriends. And then brag about it, lulz, like it's an achievement - it's not. Well, the joke is on them, they're the ones coming home to their second boss after work. And they're just a few months or years away from being dumped once more.

    The reasons why men can't or don't want to date are remarkably similar - and some are not uniquely limited to men. Let's go through some of them. This list is not exhaustive, but it is confirmed - and even our leftist press admits to it being true.

    The housing market: it's harder than ever to become a home owner for young people. Without that prospect, of course you as a man are less attractive to women - and you become demoralized.

    Student debt: If either you or all the women around you have student debt, then that constitutes a turn off.

    Technology: From the effects of the contraceptive pill (which are too many to go into here), Tinder with its eternal promise of "finding someone better just around the corner" and the availability of virtual sex (porn) for men and instant validation (10.000 likes on a selfie on social media) for women, means both men and women can get a new placebo every day, effortless. It's harder to convince people to invest in other people when they can obtain sex and/or attention online, as that takes time and sucks up energy (and the older you get, the less energy you have for getting to know people like you once did). Of course, in the long run none of this virtual business will make you happy, but it does give pleasure in the moment, for the moment.

    Feminism and bad Boomer advice: I don't have to explan feminism. But women on the whole stopped being feminine and virtually everything we have been taught about women and dating by our parents and society is a lie. It's so apparent too now. We know for a fact that women don't want "nice guys who show their feelings", our own female members admit as much. And feminine virgins in their early twenties without tattoos and without debt, that is what men desire - not 33-35 year old women who, after more than a decade of partying and/or "self-actualization", all of a sudden start to panic and decide they want a single baby and await handsome high status men to line up for them.

    Women's natural hypergamous tendencies and the 80/20 rule: back in the day, patriarchy regulated the dating market and you married within your socio-economic class - today it's the Wild West - and only gangsters can thrive in that world. There's zero regulation. And women can and will leave you at the drop of a hat for the most spurious of reasons - it's because they can - and many dream of greener grass, leveling up. Just one flaw, no matter how minor, can push a woman across the edge. And a minor flaw, let's say being 179 cm instead of 180 cm, means that you effectively don't exist to women, you don't show up on their radar - you may as well just be gay or castrated. Women collectively go for all the top guys, but most fail spectacularly, they have to fail of course - and hence are doomed to never move beyond dating, even as 50 year olds, unless they settle. But fewer women than ever are willing to lower their standards and settle, least of all before they turn 40 and when still of child bearing age.

    Hookup culture: this is tied in with Tinder and online dating. But women's "sexual liberation" means that people can sleep around - meaning - the best of men can sleep around with as many women as they like without having to commit themselves. And they do. And that's a natural male tendency. It's a side-effect of feminism feminists didn't count on back in the Sixties.

    Family courts, Twitter courts, the anti-male media and the state: they just favor women all the way and are capable of fleecing a man, robbing him of his life's work, then counting his suicide as a static. Or they simply annihilate his social standing.

    The criminalization of masculinity: this ties in with men being less manly than they used to be. It's largely because they're told masculine traits and behaviours are bad.

    #Metoo: male students and men working in offices fear interaction with the other sex due to the possibility of witch hunts and law suits.

    Increased obesity: self-evident.

    The rise of mental illness in both genders: anxiety is widespread. Unstable people make terrible (potential) partners.

    Male unemployment: due to the loss of manufacturing jobs and having to compete with women AND migrants from all over the world over a handful of jobs - with both women and migrants given preferential treatment in schools and the job market due to affirmitive action - it's hard to land any job which are not the dirtiest low wage jobs. Under neoliberalism that's fine and acceptable.

    Women prefer men who make more money than them: this point is tied with the "male unemployment" thingy. Most women won't bother with guys who make less money than them (and in some cases, men who don't have some college or uni degree).

    Male unattractiveness: whether it's dressing unisex or decreased levels of testosterone (through contact with plastics or a water supply poisoned with estrogene), lacking physical or mental masculinity or simply a lack of social skills - the latter usually the result of Boomer/feminist advice, some mental issue and/or being raised online. The digital generations simply have less people skills than the people coming before them. And moreover: their skill set is almost nothing when compared to that of their grandfathers.

    The destruction of communities: no more church or union life, no more youth movements ... places where people would otherwise come into contact with the other sex, directly or indirectly.

    ...somehow none of this ever matters at all to the other side of the debate, they prefer to brand people as losers instead, to them everything can be explained through the ineptitude of individual men - and that's retardation, my friends. That's willful ignorance. Yet people who are not willing to discuss anything mentioned on that list I brought up, add nothing to manosphere related discussions and it would be better if they didn't participate for they can not be taken seriously.

    For them the problem isn't, let's say the housing bubble or the pill or Tinder, no, the problem has to be individual men. The thread has to be transformed into "the issues of member X" or "member Y" because some people here are clueless as to what's going on and don't want to know either, as they support the status-quo. To hell with that, it's dumb and it shows you're out of touch with reality, it's living proof you're out of touch.

    The good news is, we can end feminism today, here's how:

    - Don't reward bad behaviour in women
    - Don't date bad girls or feminists (personally, I always compare women to Melanie Hamilton Wilkes from "Gone with the Wind", she's the standard, as she's the perfect woman!)
    - Don't give any woman anything for free unless she's family or your partner - that also means not leaving pathetic comments to compliment some woman on Instagram. In other words: don't be a beta orbiter.
    - Never simp and don't white knight either, it's what prolongs feminism's life span and relieves women of their personal responsibilities. Don't be a useful idiot for feminism or women who seek to exploit you or make you do their dirty work - you're no-one's plow horse and your time is valuable. Unlike guys who date feminists, you have self-respect.
    - Red pill other men, it does work - men are waking up across the board, thousands of men are going MGTOW every day. Suffocate feminism the only way we can in our totalitarian societies - through individual action.

    This is how we're going to create more Melanies again.

    Spread the good news. And if you don't find your Melanie, stay single.



    Melanie Wilkes, maybe one of these days I'm going to make a post as to why she's the ideal woman and a role model to all of her gender.
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