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    MGTOW dudes are more dramatic than even us chicks. Ya know what they say, save the drama for your mama. Bunch of dudes who are afraid of marriage, as if it were the boogeyman. To all the MGTOWs, ever heard of a prenup? If ya don't wanna share your assets with your SO, arrange that before you marry. If rich folks can do it, so can MGTOWs. Cmon. Sounds to me like they like to drag everyone else in their misery.

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    MGTOW is an inevitable response to a feminist society where women have turned men into doormats and emotional outlets/punching bags. What Chlodovech said is correct, in today's society a man no longer owns a woman. We live in a society where over half of women who are in relationships have a plan B. And that is women already in relationships. Courtship and engagement have been replaced by dating and it is socially acceptable to date more than one person at the same time. Not to mention to have unlimited casual sex, for the mere sake of a woman's pleasure. A society where whoring around and selling and objectifying one's body is "female empowerment". Where sugar baby, escort, porn actress or "socialite" are acceptable female occupations. Where the average woman friendzones several men and keeps them around to serve her, where women use men at their own will and go out with them for a free meal. Where men receive mixed signals and get chastised as soon as they act on one, but they are also damned if they do not. Where cheating is considered a legitimate response if a woman is bored, or sexually or emotionally dissatisfied with her partner, and it is always the man's fault if she is adulterous, but where the male equivalent is a disrespectful bastard. The modern woman is living a de facto polyamorous relationship, love triangles are more and more common. The only feasible solution which could save our dying folk is a return to traditional gender roles and monogamous values.

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    According to your profile you are a Christian.
    So, you should know that all what you are saying in your comment is the product of an increased Godless society.
    God is being rejected everywhere and a great falling away from the Creator is taking place. He has given us all the tools and knowledge to live normal lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    According to your profile you are a Christian.
    So, you should know that all what you are saying in your comment is the product of an increased Godless society.
    God is being rejected everywhere and a great falling away from the Creator is taking place. He has given us all the tools and knowledge to live normal lives.
    Yes, that is true, European traditional values are simply Christian values. The traditional family with a mother and a father, monogamous relationships, a rejection of adultery and the like are all tenets of Christian morality. As long as people feared God, they still stuck to those values. Atheism and secularism have destroyed society and the only solution is a return to godly values. Of course non-Christians will dispute this, but there is no such thing as a healthy society under moral relativity.

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    White knights do not get laid. Women hate male feminists. Beta orbiters love to call names almost as much as the
    boomers that got us into this mess in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astragoth View Post
    White knights do not get laid. Women hate male feminists. Beta orbiters love to call names almost as much as the
    boomers that got us into this mess in the first place.
    Um, what exactly do you mean by this? Please explain I call men who go MGTOW creeps, losers and bitches, I'm certainly not a white knight, Nor am I an orbiter unless you mean I like hanging out with my wife, nor am I a boomer so what gives here?

    My point is MGTOW men are not acting like men. Real men face adversity they don't cower from it even if it's feminism, society or whatever. By men going MGTOW they are running from the problems, they are not solving anything nor are they fighting anything instead they are playing right into the hands of those that want to destroy us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    Um, what exactly do you mean by this? Please explain I call men who go MGTOW creeps, losers and bitches, I'm certainly not a white knight, Nor am I an orbiter unless you mean I like hanging out with my wife, nor am I a boomer so what gives here?

    My point is MGTOW men are not acting like men. Real men face adversity they don't cower from it even if it's feminism, society or whatever. By men going MGTOW they are running from the problems, they are not solving anything nor are they fighting anything instead they are playing right into the hands of those that want to destroy us.
    You can try to reason with them all you like but it's a waste of time, it's just a movement of projecting losers who blame everyone else for their own problems and lack of progress. They're ridiculously self-absorbed, and self-pitying, and incapable of setting good example, not remotely interested in being a positive inspiration for others, which is what women need, because ultimately our societies are still led by men, and the behaviour and lifestyle choices of women will still always be to some extent dictated to by the needs and demands of men. If you hate women and just expect them to be available for recreational sex, don't expect them to be committed or faithful to you.

    Actually having an ounce of respect for women doesn't make anyone a "white knight", it just means you're a half-decent person, which no MGTOWS come close to being.

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    All these discussions about MGTOWS are a waste of time.
    These men don't know who they really are and miss their place in society, they hate women and believe that women are just sex toys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigebrond
    If you hate women and just expect them to be available for recreational sex, don't expect them to be committed or faithful to you.
    In which century are you living? Recreational sex is quite the norm in the West, for both sexes. It doesn't stop people from marrying and entering relationships - bad ones, of course. Men will automatically seek recreational sex in a deregulated sexual market, and high status men will get it. Blame the absence of patriarchy, not men. MGTOW is a response to this decadence.

    Don't expect commitment from a woman if you act like a beta-orbiter. And If as a woman you view men as disposable emotional tampons, gold mines and work horses who aren't allowed to have preferences of their own while creating legal double standards, then don't expect commitment from self-respecting men. Sadly, that is most women. And women changed the status-quo, not men. If a deal is altered, then maybe you should look into the deal again before investing more for less - it's only smart.

    Men who act no better than medieval serfs call other men weak? :') Just keep telling that to yourself. You don't have to ask who wears the pants in their relationships, if they can ever set one up. Male feminists/nice guys/white knights/manginas/betas calling other men weak is absurd; they're no better than the worst of incels, in fact, most of them probably are - they're the same group of people, it's just that they're more optimistic about their chances on the dating market, without sufficient reason too, I must add. Your take is what the nice version of an incel (= nice guy) would say. One can hide then behind insulting other men's masculinity - but there's no hiding.

    I know this - and it's pretty indisputable: a real man doesn't marry a feminist, while living under a feminist government to boot. And that should be obvious. And yet this is what most men settle for - no wonder the West is crammed with spineless men. Acknowledging this would be the first step to recovery.

    I'll go even further: nine out of ten men under the age of 70 in a relationship today are manginas and weaklings. And it's cringeworthy that instead of revolting, which they can and should be doing, they succumb. Once you capitulate, you keep on capitulating.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigebrond
    Actually having an ounce of respect for women doesn't make anyone a "white knight"
    What you do here is way worse than white knighting.

    You've repeated every little message ingrained into modern men by feminists and Baby Boomers - parroting every talking point we've all been raised with, straight from sitcoms on TV - it's what R/nice guys believe, the "m'lady" incels who haven't lost hope yet. Advice which has been massively debunked and which is responsible for the dire situation of marriage/relationships/demographics in the West, it's obsolete and was always harmful. You won't win any prizes for it. Regardless of polite society's praise, women and men instinctually despise this behaviour - you may receive 13.000 likes on Buzzfeed for it and yet the same people will still view you as an untouchable. Because of the inherent contradictions within the demands placed upon men today - we're supposed to be feminist (or something to that effect), but no-one likes a male feminist. What you said would've made sense once upon a time in the South, in 1850, but today it's borderline criminal to spread this message because you're setting other men up for failure in life.

    It's the worst kind of groveling, beyond PragerU ("If you don't marry your life will be incomplete", lol) & Boomer tier debasement - it's desperate fedora wearing nice guy/male feminist next level submission; "maybe I'll ever find a girlfriend if I act like a mangina" or "maybe I'll get sex this month if I do all my chores", and of course that doesn't happen. It's the very definition of weakness.

    Bending over backwards to accomodate the feminist state and women - for scraps and dog treats - hardly constitutes (traditional) manhood. It's tremendously embarrassing, our ancestors would not have accepted any of it. I know it's hard to rebel against one's upbringing, but by God, happy slaves do make the bitterest enemies of freedom.

    It all reminds me of Sargon of Akkad who tried to save face and justified being cuckolded by saying he was "reverse cucking" as he was raising another man's child. That's not how it works.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gefjon
    To all the MGTOWs, ever heard of a prenup? If ya don't wanna share your assets with your SO, arrange that before you marry.
    It's not a magical solution, it doesn't make marriage or relationships an option again as MGTOW is about far more than money - what you suggest alleviates some (but not all) of the financial woes involved with divorce (or relationships), and then mainly for atheists. And you would need a contract when someone moves in with you, not just for marriage - good luck with that, I'm sure the girlfriend will love to hear it.

    Also: the goal of marriage is to stay together, if you're a Christian or only moderately conservative. Christians with prenups are contradicting themselves. And prenups are already a sign of major distrust.

    Quote Originally Posted by Schwab
    They hate women and believe that women are just sex toys.
    That's not true, Schwab, you're being misled by those who subscribe to constant defamation out of a lack of arguments, it's a dishonest statement. It's because the MGTOW analysis is fundamentally rational, screaming "hate crime" isn't however. We see this time and again, the side which has no arguments can only try to repress the truth and they will resort to shaming tactics to accomplish it.
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    You seem to struggle to read basic sentences, but as this is a "preservationist" and mostly conservative and traditionalist forum, this thread has shown that people like me who treat women with respect and don't view them as garbage or blame them for all my problems are in the majority. MGTOWs just fall into the category of society's losers along with sjw special snowflakes and feminists. You can whine about it all you like, having respect for women has nothing to do with "feminist" or "boomer" (??) mantras, they relate to basic morals and common decency. if you have such a huge problem with that maybe you should live somewhere like Iran where women have zero rights.

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